and I have started the recording so I'll
talk to you
later hey Ken it might be useful if you
stop sharing your screen right now
because we're we're just seeing a mirror
of teams me
it there
go what colen are we close to a quum
morning um
one
two five six seven yes we
are excellent well without further Ado I
will call this me to order good morning
everyone thank you for hopping on
virtually with us we've got important
work ahead of us today to finalize this
report and uh ship it off to the right
people within the governor's office and
the
um we have a new member who we're
excited to welcome today um I don't know
if we all want to go through Authority
members and and provide a an
introduction but I'd like to welcome
Robert Bersy of green front Energy
Partners as a recent appointee of the
governor to the authority so Robert
welcome thank you for joining us and
would you like to introduce yourself in
front of other
members uh Hey thank you very much
Skyler uh my name is Robert Berdy I'm
one of the co-founders of greenfront
Energy Partners we're based here in
Richmond Virginia we're an investment
banking advisory firm that focuses
exclusively on energy
transition uh which of course includes
traditional wind and solar and battery
storage uh we help our clients to
conduct m&a where they're buying and
selling assets or companies uh we also
will organize fundraising for for
developers in that space and I'm really
excited to be here thanks for thanks for
having me on excellent welcome again
Robert and uh looking forward to having
your perspective reflected in future
Authority
activities um moving on uh entertain a
motion at this point well first we call
for any uh edits or suggested changes to
the September
13 minutes packet um I have two quick
notes to share um can just two spelling
Corrections in terms of under the future
meeting
location
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um I believe was missing the word was it
should be and was
told and then at the very end of the
minutes package we called for the
meeting to be this October 4th today not
November
4th
anyone else have any changes to
the minutes packet if not we'd entertain
a motion to uh approve
them approve
changes excellent it sounded like a
motion from Greg and I believe that was
Joanne who
seconded yes thank you all right all
those in fav favor please signify by
saying I I I I I any
opposed excellent all right the minutes
are
approved uh Ken and or Aon I'll pass it
to you on the uh an update on the status
of uh The Authority
website yeah let me uh let me pull that
page up here it might take me a
second I don't know if others are
experiencing video bandwidth issues with
with Skyler and a couple others but I'm
going to go ahead and go off video I'll
turn it on if I speak I just want
everyone to know that I am seeing a
little bit of pixelation and voices
coming in and
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out all right so so um as you all except
for our new member Robert no uh we were
informed that uh as a government entity
we were not allowed to have a website
off of on a commercial platform it has
to be uh within the state's um system
and so our um it folks have been working
on putting together a uh kind of a it's
a straw man for now I'm sure there's
going to be a lot of input um but I
think it looks pretty clean to begin
with Let Me Go a and share my screen
here give you a peek at what it looks
like
all right can you see
this yes um yes all right so this lives
on our website on the uh Commonwealth of
Virginia
domain um right now it's very Bare Bones
um gives a brief introduction of who the
authority is lists all the members
including our newest member
Robert um staff contact up here uh this
is just the beginning you know we're
going to have all the annual reports
that have been done today posted in this
in this area uh links to the uh
regulatory town hall and then meeting
information on our our Virginia Energy
website um if you go to this learn more
it takes you to a more detailed dive
into who the authority is what their
mission
is and you know foresee this having
additional links off of it to take you
to solar legislation that's passed um
you know Virginia solar and storage
projects of note that we we want might
want to list on here but right now this
is just kind of the skeleton so be
thinking about what you would like to
see on this page and let me know and
I'll work with our it folk to make it
happen any immediate um input
so Ken that's
uh that's in the Virginia Energy website
renewable-energy solar storage is that
the yes
HT Jen I think it might be helpful to
separate solar and storage you know on
the title um Solar Development and
energy storage potentially to match the
title I might confuse people just solar
storage yeah that that was on my list to
talk our it folks about in fact I was
wondering whether the authori shouldn't
be listed up here instead of down
here um bigger
Boulder
yeah okay so I'll I'll go ahead and put
all this stuff up here instead and and
uh we'll just lead in with this little
blurb and the members and then the the
stuff on these two side
sidebars that's excellent thank you Ken
um anybody have any thoughts to share
now on the on on the website outline
anything we should we should add at this
point
yeah we've I was going to say sorry I
had to unmute here
um I don't know how
appropriate it is for us to put this on
the website but I you know I could see
an opportunity for us to talk about
major initiatives in the Solar the
energy storage electric vehicle and and
you know other type
of uh renewable activities like wind Etc
I don't know Ken
Skyler to the extent that that would be
important or relevant for this to break
that out but I think if we if we had a
way to maintain that um it it could
actually drive eyeballs and more
importantly discussion uh of what's
working and what's not working from
folks I uh I know this is a big
undertaking to keep that current it's
always you know static websites are
static and stale and and I don't I don't
know what we really want as the overall
intent here so I would just offer that
as a discussion point and and really
what are we trying to do so are you
talking in Virginia specifically or
nationally or in Virginia yeah in
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Virginia all right I'll look into that U
an obvious um item to add is upcoming
legislation um um and maybe even past
legislation and it just becomes kind of
a a running Archive of solar and storage
uh bills that have been introduced and
passed thoughts on
that yeah yeah I think relevant in uh
legislation as it has as it influences
and you know possibly is tied to some of
either recommendations or some of the
presentations that we've had uh where it
it is supportive of of the expansion and
meeting the uh the governor's goals I
think are would be a very good thing to
tie together just to show how the
legislation is supportive of of those
those Concepts so I think that could be
a very positive thing okay another how
how will decisions be how will decisions
be made about what is included or what
is not not included is it all
legislation related to solar or select
and if so how's that
decision that's a great
question I would think if it's pending
legislation that all legislation is
relevant okay
whether for or against but that's my
opinion uh just one person's opinion I
probably wouldn't post pending
legislation is in just random bills that
any member has filed that can get kind
of cluttery and it's largely irrelevant
till it advances but you can I would
certainly see posting at the end of
every session new bills at a pass that
are relevant if you're going to if
you're going to try to post everything
that's pending I would just link to the
to um Lis is and you know they sort
legislation by subject matter so I'll
just link into their
sort yeah know that's a good
point that ties right back to
maintenance of this thing so yeah maybe
we just include bills that have
passed yeah thank you GRE that makes lot
a lot of sense um and I think it might
be helpful certainly as we get this
website off the ground to have a agenda
item on the first couple meetings at
24 where folks can bring forward
suggestions
recommendations
and and one of the things I was going to
offer is um our wind Authority recently
has created some uh one in two member
subgroups to look into various issues um
like Workforce Development and and other
things and I was wondering if that might
be help helpful here excuse
me be willing in instead of you know
making me be the the decider you know
just a Flo ideas past me
and yeah can't if anyone's interested we
could
certainly build a a a subcommittee to to
work on this there any Authority members
who want to volunteer
on website brainstorming over the next
couple
months
um
yeah this is Colleen I I could I'll
volunteer to
brainstorm yeah and I would I wouldn't
mind helping too I come from a different
perspective than some other people do
but yes i' I'd be willing to this is
Joanne
web okay
great K I'm happy to join in on that
small sub committee as well
yeah and I was thinking also what about
links to other organizations that are
kind of out there fighting the good
fight including in Virginia Aaron um
does UVA or Tech have any particular
sites up that are dealing with solar
issues or is it just doing reports and
stuff like
that they have some websites just with
their resources that could be relevant I
think we do already link to them on some
of our other solar pages on our website
but couldn't be excluded here either
okay you and I can maybe get together
and talk about what's out there and what
might be you know good to have here it
never hurts to have things in more than
one
place so again I I would ask the same
question who decides what gets posted
and what doesn't and I would caution The
Authority about including anything that
might come across as
endorsement well Catherine if I'm
reading the if it involves you know if
it you if it involves like particular
companies or anything along those lines
right no I I'm talking you know other
university sites NOS um stuff like
that like linking to the IRA website to
um maybe see C it does do advocacy but
um I'm just looking for visual interest
trying to because right now this is
really pretty boring but at some point
if I can figure out how to work some
pictures in a Virginia projects I think
that might
uh blash it up a little
bit yeah and I think I agree and also I
think we should think about what people
coming to this website will want to know
about and and CA might be a good
resource and there's definitely others
um but yeah I think that's some a
question we could take up maybe in
brainstorming
um and then maybe we could also figure
out a process by which we agree on what
content to
post whether that's like voting at the
next meeting or having you know a subset
of people
decide I I think that might be a good
approach is for the subgroup to come up
with the ideas of who and what to put up
here and then at a future meeting bring
it before the full
group perfect that sounds good to me
thank you Ken thank you col and Jan for
stepping up to help and uh we'll try to
get a couple website sub committee
meetings on the
books uh prior to our January
meeting
um K I'm going a little bit out of order
should have done this from the outset
but I see several more folks have joined
can could we do a roll call of uh
Authority member attendance and
attendees so we know who's here and
who's not I see a meeting guest and then
I
know
um one member was planning to join via
cell phone I was not sure if he was
going to be able to join could we go
through the Roll
Call
hey Ken we're not hearing
you sorry I was uh I was muted um yeah
hold on a sec let me
uh the members
list all right Paul Duncan is here
Skyler is
here Joanne is here Colleen I yes here
yes uh I saw Michael Walsh earlier is he
still on I'm here thanks okay Robert
bdy um Harry
Godfrey no roomy
Mota Greg khabib is
here Katherine bond is here Michael
Herbert you out
there all right so we've got everyone
but
Michael um Harry Godfrey and Ry Mota
excellent thank you Kim appreciate that
well that brings us to the uh important
part of today's meeting um the review of
the authorities 2023 report um hope to
get consensus wherever possible on this
report um certainly in the U overview of
the activities summarizing the past four
meetings that we held in 2023 what was
said and what was uh discussed and then
once we have agreement there would like
to move down to recommendations um hope
again to have consensus uh wherever
possible here but if there is not
consensus we will um vote on each
element of the recommendations and uh
the authority will move forward with a
majority vote uh as described in our
bylaws so Ken thank you for sharing the
screen I'll open it to Authority members
to point out uh changes anything to
finalize and and make different right
now and uh just thank the several
members who have taken time out of their
days over the past few weeks to make
substantial Chang es to make formatting
changes to brainstorm and think of
recommendations that we can make as our
enabling legislation requires us to so
really appreciate everybody's time over
the past couple weeks but like to just
open this up for discussion and move
this
forward one thing I'll add um is the one
item that I've not included in here yet
and I I don't know whether we need to in
terms of presentations was
uh Aaron's presentation at the last
minute in the last
meeting comparison of States but I've
got something ready to drop in I was
just you know at the last minute I was
uh being mindful of page limits for the
new guidelines
but if you think it's important enough
that we drop that in I'll I'll take care
of that and then
recirculate yeah Ken I think that would
be helpful to put in I like the small
blurb that was in our minutes
summarizing
aon's presentation I I think that's
that's pertinent I mean we included Mr
Meyer's presentation on energy storage
so we'd love to include
Erin's presentation as
well I'll do that I've got it ready to
go okay and other than um sort of the
formatting the changes associated with
updates to the presentations were there
any other
substantive changes that were made since
the last
version we discussed the previous
meeting yes um Katherine on at least two
occasions since then Ken has circulated
updates um some of which were were
comments from you and your colleague
Miss Cosby um I took some time to update
and make some corrections
the local permitting
report um so yes this has substantially
changed
since the September 13 meeting making
updates expanding a little bit and
adding a lot more meat to the to the
report I'm just asking and I I did see
this morning that there was a new draft
circulated recently I'm just asking for
a synopsis of what the substance of
changes were again not not so much the
formatting type you know typographical
or grammatical changes but substantive
changes
um can I'm not sure if you want to take
a a shot of that
but um all of these changes were were
tracked
um K do you want to take a stab of that
question well I think a lot of the the
substantive changes were the ones that
you made yesterday and I'm going to go
ahead and uh put all the mark up on
here all right let's see I'll go down to
the stuff you okay so all of this uh
blue stuff was added yesterday it's blue
on my screen but all the stuff from
Skyler give you a minute to read through
that
I think it was mostly just putting more
flesh on the bones of uh what I had
started with give to give the uh subject
a little more
context is this the same version you
sent out last
night okay yes okay so no changes in in
that right now right correct now I've
made one couple of Min minor typo
changes this morning and I still have to
go through and finalize all the format
formatting the lines and Par paragraph
spacing and stuff like that but we don't
need to worry about
that just roll down here more more
Skyler
stuff yeah I read through it late last
night and I didn't see
anything
I think some of these details do add um
a lot of um importance to this issue yes
it it adds more details that really talk
about individual counties and it does it
does add a a depth of understanding I
think about some of these issues that
are happening in rural
areas yeah I think that was a good I
agree yeah and this is the only change I
made this morning spelling out the solar
Alliance the first
time see what
else Skyler added the uh manufactured in
China I thought that was an important
thing to
add I did this yesterday I guess
um and that's really about it uh Skyler
did you well we got these here okay the
recommendations the did you add these
yesterday um Monday reflected here Ken
is I reformatted one and then included
the r step program and the educational
recommendation based on Aaron's
presentation last meeting right there
okay
yeah can can you just scroll back up to
those changes just the recommend the
second last
recommendation you are
step
yes well the last
yeah thank
you just a comment there it should be
the US Department of energy instead of
EPA
thank you
Aon where are you looking right at the
page
break um I messed with made a mistake
it's instead of EPA it's the US
Department of energy administering the
program okay right before our step
program which is the first line on the
next
page oh oh oh yeah
okay okay okay EPA is running the Sol
for all quick question on just the
phrase yeah quick question on the phrase
the and the general assembly should
support these
efforts is that appropriate language in
a report such as this from these
author
well Katherine this is a I mean we are
making recommendations on what they
should and shouldn't do um this is a
grand opportunity and I think support
would come in the form of a a letter of
support very similar to the one we did
for the stolar for all at the last
meeting um just I'm not I'm not
suggesting that it's I'm yeah I'm not
I'm not suggesting it's inappropriate
for entities to show support I'm
questioning whether in a in a
report such as this that is phrased we
recommend and it is focus and it has
something along the lines of general
assembly should
support is that are we lob I mean is
that trigger I would I would yeld to
Greg on this
but does that trigger lobbying or is
that because it's it's phrased as we and
we are the members of the
authority and so again I'm no objection
to trying to get support but naming the
general assembly specifically in a
sentence that says we
Rec yeah I mean so we talked about this
sort of philosophically last time a
little bit of should we be making
recommendations to the administration
and to the legislature about policies
they should be advancing the steps they
should be taking I don't know that it
was unanimous but there certainly seemed
to be some consensus around the idea
that we should actually be advocating um
and taking positions I don't think it
triggers any kind of lobbying we not
being paid by any enti and that kind of
stuff we a state Authority that that
wouldn't have any problem doing that if
the issue is the word we because it's we
represent reflects members as opposed to
the authority itself I I don't I don't
see a problem either way with that one
but if that made people more comfortable
but no I I think I mean I certainly
believe that this Authority should be
making recommendations to the governor
and should be making recommendations to
the legislature to take executive or
legislative
action um which would this would be cons
consistent with
that maybe where in this section where
it says we it should be worded members
of The Authority instead of we I think I
think that's a good point I think it
defines who we is better I think I
agree I mean if you're gonna if you're
gonna do that which I I have no problem
with I would just change the word we to
the authority recommends instead of we
recommend exactly yeah
that
Mak so that goes for all of these
correct yeah I think that makes sense
okay I think that's corre I think that's
correct because the authority can make a
recommendation even if the a few of the
members either abstain or don't vote or
frankly don't you know we don't want us
to necessarily put anybody in position
where they have to S of vote for each
recommendation because if you word it as
the authority members or the authority
itself it might and it yeah and isn't it
sufficient just to say the authority
recommends in the heading and then just
list what the recommendations are
instead of going over the authority
recommends five times yeah okay I'll
make those
changes hey if you'll excuse the the
rookie question here would could someone
give me a quick Cliff Notes on how these
recommendations were originated and then
whether or not there was was there like
a session where robust debate takes
place and there's a lot of discussion
around these things I'm just curious
about the background
there yeah so Robert I'll I'll give give
it a shot and then K can chime in if
needed um in years past the authority
has not taken any important step for
making in our enabling legislation it
gives us two instructions for the report
to summarize activities of the authority
and make recommendations to the governor
and then specific chairs within the
general assembly um at the last session
uh in September 13 we brainstormed some
of these and discussed them and then
went through an inter process over the
past 3 weeks uh sharing drafts of these
with authority members asking for folks
to contribute make recommendations and
then Ken has been
compiling
um many of these changes over the past
few weeks so that's the the discussion
and the um debate happened over the past
three weeks but it's happening now as
you see and just trying to build as much
consensus as we we can around the entire
report thank
you I mean I I think along those lines
some of these recommendations are
incredibly detailed and don't
necessarily include everything that
needs to be considered for example I
don't
know that this Authority has the
expertise and certainly hasn't done the
analysis to say how grid capacity should
be Al uh can you scroll up just a bit
can to just the top of this the grid
Authority um you the grid like this
Authority declaring that there are
bottlenecks in the current pjm
interconnection
cues um and suggesting that Virginia
Utilities use the existing grid capacity
wisely I mean
I don't think there's any debate that
there are bottlenecks and
interconnection cues though I mean the
pjm interconnection Q is frozen until
2026 it's it's one of the top topics I
think I think the phrasing is is really
I mean so given the bottleneck it could
you could say that given the current
status or the number of projects
awaiting review in the PJ connection
queue is much different than what this
says right now and I think grid
capacity and the things that need to be
considered are it's a lot there's a long
list like
reliability Economic Development there's
a lot of other things that should be you
know considered
so anyhow
I I think the recommendation though is
saying consider right consider replacing
near retirement fossil assets with solar
and energy storage so we're asking
Utilities in Virginia to consider these
recommendations can can you scroll down
just a little bit too and I think when
we say we support the SEC The Authority
supports the SEC in requiring Virginia
Utilities to streamline distribution
intercon process and revoke unnecessary
burdensome rules that make distribution
level projects um cost prohibitive so
again there's no contemplation of while
maintaining a focus on reliability and
safety or anything along those lines I
mean in its current form I you
know many of these as worded I
think uh
are such
that there are things that should be
considered if we're recommending these
things that are not included so
again understand that there are are many
things here very good points raised on
many of these but some of what's here
the declarative statements
and some of the recommendations I think
are less
than yeah I think the to me the question
is and and and I and I I don't disagree
with any the way that Katherine just
phrased at all but the question would be
is there a recommendation that's not
appropriate for this authority to make
or is there simply a recommendation that
some members will agree with and some
members won't agree with um and if it's
the latter then that's I think we'll
take a vote and we decide on that kind
of stuff if it's wordsmithing to get
members to
agree um like for example if uh
if if Catherine was okay with if it said
require in addition to other Solutions
utilities to consider grid enhancing
technology if it was word smithing I
think it's worth the effort to Wordsmith
to get as close to un unimi as we can
get if we can't get there some people
just agree and some people disagree and
we would vote on it and then if there's
something where we've like left our
scope where it's appropriate for us to
have an opinion on if we we start
offering opinions on you know K12
education or something like that or or
crime um then that would be then I think
the question would be is it appropriate
to include um I I would as I read these
I think they are good points did I yeah
yeah so I was say I think they're
probably appropriate to include I
understand especially the ones that
reference the utilities why the utility
would want to have specific comments on
that and they should um and I think if
there's ways to get to unanimity with
words smithing I think that's worth the
effort and if there's not then we should
go through the effort and then see where
we
land and I'm not I don't want to slow up
the process here um but I mean there
have been multiple simultaneous edits
Ken that you've had to manage you've
done a great job at that but if we are
being asked today
and I don't know if we are but if we're
being asked today to discuss the
recommendations I'm totally fine with
that I don't feel like I'm in a position
or frankly any of us are in a position
without having discussed and sort of
voted on each of the recommendations and
and and seen them in their final form to
know again I might not necessarily have
objections to some of what's here I just
like to know what what it what the
meaning behind some of this and what the
what the needs are and it would be good
to have that discussion in advance of
having a vote um Circ circulating
multiple versions of a Redline document
where you know changes are still being
made up until just you know 12 hours
before a meeting is is to me it's I'm
not going to be in a position to vote on
it only because I haven't had a chance
to fully understand the recommendations
we're being asked to to
approve hey Katherine just remember this
when we're getting ready to walk into
Commerce and labor in a few months and
yall hand us a new version of a bill
okay
and we're not in the same room so you
can't see that I'm kind of laughing I'm
just joking
but
um very much appreciate the discussion
uh to give credit where it's due um
these
specific uh recommendations Colleen was
able to put together and did so over two
weeks ago and so every draft since the
um you know original draft on the 13th
has included these and I really
appreciate the folks to uh been able to
dig into these take some time and do the
word smithing that they felt necessary
prior to this meeting uh we do we are
really pressed for time and have to get
this um solidified for Ken to share with
then I
believe Secretary of Commerce and trade
prior to
subid it'll probably go up through our
internal chain before it goes to uh the
secretary yeah
and again none of my comments can are
directed you've done a great job trying
to manage the input coming from multiple
directions so appreciate your hard work
and getting that done again it's just a
matter of changes coming from all
different directions and not necessarily
knowing what what we're going to be
voting on until and now
so and and Skylar I appreciate you know
um I was the author on many of these
recommend and I'm happy to go into
detail about why based on the authori
activities this year each of them stood
out as recommendations that we would
want to give to the governor of the
general
assembly
yeah so all of all of these were put
together by Colleen and all the things
in blue above it were put together by
Skyler they just show up with my name
because I was the one who pasted them in
or
her so moving past the housekeeping
items uh about how we've gotten here and
the iterative process that has resulted
in this report do do members have word
smithing contributions to make
to any of these
elements yes and I'm happy to get those
to Ken if you'd like me to do that using
the latest version
so we're we're going to be voting as an
authority on these elements today
Catherine and um we respectfully will
not reconvene The
Authority uh to consider uh one member's
word SMI things we're going to we're
going to vote on these elements today
and get them through the proper channels
by our by our
deadline
and if there were was a decision to
reconvene it would have to be in
person okay
um so Katherine is there any word
smithing in here that you can think of
right now that might help a little
bit okay can I make a comment on on the
authority Believers adopting these
recommendations is a key to enabling a
just clean I like the word just but I
think it comes into I think it adds a
different um issue that may not be clear
to
everyone we may think it's just I'm not
sure that's a word that sort of bothers
me a little bit the just enabling a just
clean and energy the just um sticks out
to me but that may be a very very mute
very small and insignificant point
I I so I put that in as I mean a Just
Energy transition in a energy Justice I
mean means to me that historically
disadvantaged communities get to come
along in this transition and benefit in
a way that
traditionally you know we're actually
receiving the E you know externalities
that hurt those communities meaning
they're the communities that CO as is
being like piped into and they're the
communities that are being hurt by the
emissions from um uh combusting fossil
fuels whereas a Just Energy transition
it is using solar it's using storage
it's using wind there's there's no
emissions that that's the idea behind it
well the whole purpose solar solar for
all
initiative okay well I like the word I
just thought it might cause somebody
else to have some angst about this that
was my comment I I do like the word
there but I just thought it might be
viewed differently by other people
reading
this but I understand and thank you for
those comment thank
you I would say that from a word
smithing standpoint that where the
authority recommends the filing of for
unblocking I would reword that from a
wordsmithing standpoint to say um The
Authority
recommends
addressing concerns associated with
solar and energy storage at the
distribution
level and in doing this is the one below
that um and and that if that is a
recommendation that is to be made that
it needs to be done in such a way that
does
not that also bears in mind
reliability affordability to
non-participating customers and
safety
can I can I build on that and make the
recommendation that we could replace
unblocking with promoting since that's
in our authorities
mandate would that be
makesense sure I think that makes I
think that does I think that makes sense
I
think the authority
recommends promoting the development of
at the distribution level provided it
can be done in such a manner or in such
a
manner it does not compromise safety
affordability and
reli yeah I don't have any objection to
safety affordability and reliability
being put in as Concepts I don't know
that others have thoughts on that but I
mean safety reliability and
affordability are I think within our
mandate to have an opinion on and
certainly something the governor spent a
lot of time talking about and members of
the general assembly I don't know that
I'd be more specific than just saying
safety reliability and
affordability I think also do we put
safety affordability and reliability
into the lead in I think Virginia want
reliable safe affordable and clean
energy and the first sentence of the
recommendations section maybe that kind
of sets the tone and we just assume
everything below us is having the
Baseline of reliable safety
affordable be an easier way to do it I
like I like your word actually and I
like your word the at this this very
first
bullet
um you said promoting right so again I
think it's some of the words using like
using words like unblocking that's
that's for sort of reaching a conclusion
that some might not necessarily agree
with all things below it are
actually I'm not saying whether I do or
we do but but if we were to say
something to your point that is aligned
with the
authorities um governing documents that
the authority recommends promoting the
development
of
um solar and energy
storage while maintaining a focus on
reliability affordability and safety of
the electric grid and then every
recommendation Falls underneath of
that
I think it's promoting the development
of yeah and I think Ken was sort of
putting his cursor above the language
it's already in there that the
recommendations have a lead in there
with reliable safe and affordable clean
and clean energy so I sort of think that
sort of captures all of
it yeah I think it in a way that is but
it's it implies that they are in
conflict with each other and not the
focus a a a primary focus of the
recommendations the recommendations are
premised upon promoting the development
of while
maintaining reliable safe and
affordable
Energy may maybe the maybe we modify the
second sentence in the recommendation in
the leadin where we say the author
um you
know thus uh you know given the mandate
to promote the development of solar
energy and energy storage in
Virginia offer these
recommendations that and then we
continue if enacted We Believe will help
Virginia
access and Ken if you like I can just
type that out and text it to you really
quickly
so does that make sense so we lead in
with saying Virginians want reliable
safe affordable clean energy but there
are barriers to development of solar and
storage that we acknowledge and and part
of that acknowledgement is actually
creation of this Authority originally it
was for the pr of the development of
these Technologies so now we say um
given that the Mandate of the authority
is to promote solar and storage we offer
these
recommendations which we believe if
enacted will help Virginia access
preferred clean energy and create the
economic and health benefits associated
with transitioning to the clean energy
economy in the
Commonwealth
I like that
Colleen if something were to be added
that again maintains a focus on
reliability affordability and safety of
the
grid
maybe it's in that last phrase
transitioning to a clean energy economy
which is what you know the clean energy
economy Act is doing um while
maintaining um safety affordability and
reliability I mean it so reliability
safety affordability are embedded in the
clean economy act I don't think it's
meet the goals of clean economy act and
do these things um um it's it really is
embedded in all of this like we can say
the words over and over again um but any
recommendation ought to be taken into
account the advancement of clean energy
in a safe reliable affordable way and so
I I would just put a sentence up top all
these recommendations are set forth to
encourage the promotion of renewable
energies in Virginia in a safe reliable
affordable manner consistent with you
know the policies enacted by the general
assembly or whatever but I think you
have some catch all language lot e and
trying to word Smith every single one is
make it clear that every recommendation
acknowledges those basic principles of
our current energy
policy
agree can you maybe say that again Greg
and uh so that Ken can so we can get
that down if that we're vote on this
today yeah so
um I mean yeah where CL Ken is you could
so there's a couple ways you can say it
you could either say these
recommendations if an act will will help
Virginia's access preferred clean energy
in a safe affordable and reliable manner
while creating economic and health
benefits or you could more explicitly
say
um that all these recommendations are
based upon the promotion of solar and
energy stor
in a safe AFF I think I think what you
would say is not so much in a safe but
without
compromising or should be Advanced
without
compromising safety affordability
and yeah I think I'm I think that
probably makes sense if Ken you want to
take a stab at the eight versions you
just
heard I'm gonna try to type something in
the chat can well here I think the way
that Katherine just said it these
recommendations if an act will help
Virginia's access preferred clean energy
and create economic and health benefits
associated with transition clean and
economy in in the Commonwealth without
adversely affecting the delivery of safe
affordable and reliable
energy and should be under we make it a
positive too
like wall while
improving I mean I no yeah I think we
probably disagreement on
transition is is going to improve the
quality of energy delivered to consumers
in the
Commonwealth um like for example I'm
looking forward to having that it
presents challenges like it also does
present challenges they're again they're
not insurmountable but we still need to
maintain a focus on reliability
affordability and safety and so I don't
think we can make a declarative
statement that all those
things absolutely absolutely in all
cases will contribute to affordability
reliability and safety we have to
maintain a focus on reliability
affordability and
safety while undertaking these
things yeah no no disagreements there
it's just that when I Envision the kind
of transition complete it is a much more
reliable resilient grid because there's
more distributed solar and storage
across the grid that allows you to have
higher levels of reliability and reduced
outages and higher safety levels so I I
think it's it's a little bit just
um word
choice but I think without compromising
is uh is fine with
me
reli um reliabil reliability afford
affordability and safety I would say
without compromising the safe reliable
and
affordable delivery of energy or
something like that but whatever the
verb is that Mak I think that that makes
that makes sense the safe
reliable and
affordable Katherine would delivery be
the right word or provision
yes I think delivery is fine compromise
and save reliable and affordable
delivery of energy in the
Commonwealth
excellent thanks
everyone also promoting instead of
unblocking yep I believe that was a
consensus and then I think where it sort
of declares that the
utilities uh there's the the final
recommendation I think
that support the SEC and requiring all
that I think that at this point it's
already before the SEC and there's lots
of different perspectives on that so I
would suggest REM removing that
bullet alog together and if you don't
want to remove it then I'm happy to
provide some suggestions for changing
the
I'd like to hear the
suggestions I think it's important to
acknowledge that that it's not a solved
problem I'm not suggesting it's a solve
problem I'm just suggesting that it's
before the state Corporation Commission
and there's active
participation you in that and will
continue to
be
um
and I just I don't think that this
Authority at this stage is in in a
position to say that the SEC should
require utilities to do something of
this nature because again we're we are
declaring as an authority that it's
unnecessary and that it's burdensome and
that the recommendation is uh and that
it's it is cost prohibitive so to me
those contradict the fund some of the
fundamental things that are above in
terms of the safe affordable and
reliable delivery of electricity in the
Commonwealth and so again I we we are
likely not to necessarily agree on the
declarative statements that are here
but should we in fact just say something
along the lines of the authority
recommends
um again without compromising safe
affordable reliable delivery of energy
the SEC
examine those things the the the
distribution interconnect
process
hey cther can I ask you can I ask you
just a question you might know the
answer to from a from a just a status
where we are Ken can you go back to that
one I'm
sorry I don't think we need to repeat sa
affable and Rel we put it at the top so
that it applies to everything so
Katherine these questions are these
questions ones that are currently in a
would be in a docket before the SEC
currently or they would they be are they
teed up to be something in the future or
would the legislature have to do
something in order to which what they
does not have to do anything yeah I
think this is an issue that's that is
teed up yeah I think this is an issue
that's teed up again my my issue is not
in mentioning this is an area that again
was reported on by one perspective
that's part of the dialogue around these
issues my issue is with the declarative
statements that are included in this and
some of the other um recommendations for
example the ones about the localities
about
pjm
and again
here so I actually probably would word
smitth this one although I'm not sure
would make cther I'm not sure it would
make you happy and I don't mean that in
a flippant way I mean I'm just not sure
we'd get to where you would want to be
I'm not sure the legislature should
support the SEC I'm not sure that is a
concept um and I apologize for not
having sort of thought of that earlier I
do support the idea of us encouraging
policy makers to look for ways to
streamline the distribution
interconnection process and revoke
unnecessarily burdens in rules and make
distribution level process projects cost
prohibitive I I I do agree with that so
if I were drafting this now my
recommendation would be that we
recommend that policy
makers you know look for opportunities
to and then strike everything before the
word
streamline um but I I would agree with
that as well yeah and one of the things
that I I mentioned in my recommendations
was please correct anything that's
legislatively and like regulatorily
incorrect in the way that we making the
recommendations so I think that's a
really positive
change cool Ken could we see that
reflected so I would say if this were me
again I would say policy maker should
instead of the legisl should because
frankly it's the it's all it's all
branches of
policymaking in this one um and then
rather than support the SC required
virin utilities I would say Seek
opportunities to streamline or
Advance policy to
streamline
um I like Advanced policies too because
this is an active um
dock it at the SEC
right Katherine does that does that
reduce any
heartburn uh I mean again I think that
advanced policy is streamline
distribution n connect
process uh is fine I think after that is
still an
issue my the question with that is the
question with that is is it cost
prohibitive to the individual developer
or cost prohibitive to overall customers
who might be absorbing some of those
costs I don't I don't know exactly what
we mean by cost prohibitive and if this
is a recommendation the legislature or
other policy makers are going to get
we've got to I think be clear on
that yeah but what you're really talking
about is unnecessarily burdens some
rules and so I mean it's hard to not be
in favor of removing unnecessarily
burdensome rules we're not coming out
and explicitly like blaming somebody for
that or setting out what they are but
it's they should be aware of the
processes and when they've become
unnecessarily
burdensome so end the sentence after
burdensome
rules yeah I mean I I like it as it is
now but I understand that we aren't all
going to
agree uh Katherine would you kind of
wholeheartedly sign on to this if if we
remove everything after burdensome
roles again I think that there's some
other recommendations that might need
word Smith but I'd be more comfortable
with this language in this particular
section if it
said if it didn't make the presumption
that related to some of
the you can leave rules and put a peri
period after
rules I I would say address you could
say address unnecessarily burdensome
rules because I don't know what their
I
don't
okay well I think it would be the things
that um we see I mean above in the
report I'm forgetting his name who gave
the presentation in April on the
distribution level challenges of
development of solar and storage in
Virginia and I think you
know so okay first of all we still need
the word
rules and then I think that
sorry and I
mean I guess address and revoke are uh
similar
um
policies
without without the last Clause it makes
unnecessarily burdensome rules seem very
broad but instead we're talking
specifically about the ones that make
distribution level development cost
prohibitive um and I I don't like I'd be
interested in other members particularly
if we have any developer members on the
um call that want to chime
in
I don't think it's too my personal view
is that it's not too controversial to
leave the cost prohibitive part of the
sentence
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in yeah and I mean we spent some time
and energy adding in the safe
reliable affordable element to be to the
beginning so that sets the stage
here so the recommendation above this
one Ken if you which
one the recommendation above this
one above this
one yeah then the yes the the
recommendation before
this
one could you scroll so we could see the
that entire
Rec
I mean I
guess again there's a presumption that
the Virginia Utilities are not using
existing grid capacity wisely in this so
that's my primary issue with
it and again I think this recommendation
this this recommendation just I think
goes into some areas that are not within
the authorities purview and have we
cannot make a recommendation about
retiring certain Assets in favor of
others without considering the complete
picture and we don't have the expertise
nor the authority to do that so I I just
think this one Falls outside to me as
worded um outside the purview of the
authority I would argue that if not
outside our purview I think it's
perfectly fine to have disagreements
about whether these are
directionally how you want our
recommendations um to form like the form
of the recommendation you want it to
take
um but just going back to the very
simple job that the authority has of
promoting the development of solar and
storage in Virginia transmission level
projects are blocked because of
interconnection Q
delays so here are some ways that you
can add more solar and energy storage by
using our existing grid capacity wisely
one is replacing near retirement fossil
assets that already have interconnection
capacity
available with solar and energy
storage it's not saying you have to it's
saying consider I think I think I think
the concerns can be addressed if we
remove
the legislature should direct the
utilities to use the existing good
capacity wisely if you can just if you
delete the reference to directing
Virginia Utilities to use existing Gade
capacity wisely because then the
recommendation could simply
be the policy maker like we've worded it
elsewhere policy makers should
consider requiring utilities to consider
grid enhancing Technologies and to study
whether or
not I don't know again I don't know that
that the authority should make a
recommendation about pjm but I'll leave
that to
others would it help if legislator
legislature was changed to policy makers
here and wisle was changed more
efficiently because isn't that the whole
idea of the gets no again no again I
think it's it is if if it is the
recommendation then it should be just
the recommendation that we
recommend that the that policy makers
consider requiring utilities to consider
grid enhancing Technologies keep that
bullet um let me try to so one of the
one of the re the reason that I started
this recommendation with giv the
bottlenecks in the current pjm
interconnection q and it's a little typ
of the Q should just be Q not Q's um the
is that
given it is difficult to add new
resources at the transmission level
right now and given that so two ways to
do that are to interconnect them at you
know at at transmission nodes or add new
transmission capacity so that's actually
assumed in here but not not stated it's
that given new transmission capacity is
hard to build and given the
interconnection cues are
stagnated this is a you know um barrier
to solar and storage development in
Virginia so
therefore we should direct Virginia
Utilities to use their existing grid
capacity
wisely for promotion of development of
of solar and energy
storage and then the recommendations are
kind of presuming that we can't build
new transmission we can't interconnect
new projects unless
we do these creative things it's kind of
like use existing grid capacity
creatively if that is a better word
choice again if if policy makers are
going to be encouraged to do anything
perhaps the bullets are the bullets
themselves
say use
existing develop a creative approaches
to using existing grid
capacity I
creative approaches to using existing
grid
capacity require utilities to consider
the grid enhancing Technologies and
then I would suggest that instead of
being as specific on the last bullet to
say
study
uh opportunities
to
reduce time of the que whatever Q it is
that's distribution or
trend
other members please chime in here
um you all have I don't know if you were
you was some of that getting put in
there or you just looking for more
comments yeah I'm just waiting for some
sort of agreement on what it should
be it should be I put I put in a
proposal I guess for the first I mean
the the second bullet given the
bottlenecks in the chat
um I don't know if so can I take a
slightly different approach and see if
this offends
everybody oh now Ken now you're sharing
over your he had to go see what I put in
the chat yeah I'm just copying what
colie put can but before you before you
put that in there can I offer a an
alternative idea so the first so leave
the leave the first bullet as it is the
authority recommends I would make the
next bullet say something like and you
know don't don't type this yet um policy
makers should consider solutions to the
current pjm issues
affecting
transmission what how it wants to be
done and then the next blocks below that
the first one would be encourage gen
utility to creatively utilize grid
capacity um require utilities to
consider grid enhancing Technologies
study whether pjm reform PGM departure
would provide a faster path to lowc cost
energy and structure it that
way so rather start the Bott we start
with policy makers should
consider yeah and I don't I mean I
understand what you're saying there's
some language in there that just feels
slightly off to me the bottlenecks and
the wisely just feel slightly
off yeah and so I would say you know
policy maker should consider solutions
to current pjm intercon interconnection
Q issues which are affecting projects at
the transmission
level
yeah type I would say current pjm
interconnection Q issues should consider
current pjm interconnection Q
issues
solutions to I think you said yeah yeah
po should consider solutions to you're
right policymaker should consider
solutions to current pjm interconnection
Q issue no no sorry
Ken yeah policy maker should consider
solutions
to Solutions
to solutions to to current pjm
interconnection queue
issues that are and then I don't know
again how you phrase it is it barriers
at the transmission
level I put an uh in the chat um maybe
which the issues which are delaying
projects trying to connect to the Grid
at the transmission
level I think that's good language
calling iug with that with your
approach all right um do I need to go
back to the comments I can I can just
read it to you so after after issues I
would just yeah that are and then after
that are um
you can delete um or just write this and
then delete the rest
yeah delaying
projects trying to connect to the
Grid at the transmission
level
and and then so then the first I agree
with that and then I would make the next
bullet um a version what colen had said
before but it's what you just cut out um
wait a
minute it I I again I wouldn't use the
word wisely but it would be you know
creative use of existing capacity would
it be one of these these sub
bullets I
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would all
right so to me that so so Colleen's
giving you language the second part of
her first sentence in that in that chat
comment giv the bottlenecks blah blah
blah but it's the creatively utiliz
existing grid
capacity I bet yeah I bet Katherine you
would like encourage more than direct
but I think it's a brilliant use of
words Greg I mean I I I'm cool with
direct but I would like us to get as
much consensus as we can get if anybody
thinks that dramatically substantively
undermines the the point that I'll fight
for direct but I I like direct it it is
direct I like I like
direct well do I see the
then is a sub bullet to this one the
creative ways are by doing all of
these I I I agree
Ken so also you can delete wisely
because we wanted to replace the
creatively concept so that we don't have
wisely so we don't imply anything um
that we don't mean
to I think there would be a colon after
capacity and then we would um delete the
word example right
above
cool and I don't even think we need
including like if you just put a colon
after capacity all three of those
bullets are under
consideration yeah so this is way then
in the weeds of w smithing but I think
that those three bullets need to be
phrased slightly differently now that
you have that intro sentence so it
should be the legislature should direct
Viria utility to creatively use existing
grid
capacity um and then whether it's
consider or direct but
it
um I I would I would put all of those as
just con consider
because that one already has considered
we just had requiring them to
consider I would say consider the use
of May
um so
maybe we actually put I'm s I'm sorry
for this is in the weeds of forsmith
thing but the legislature should direct
Virginia Utilities to creatively use
existing grid capacity consider comma
considering for
example
colon then you get rid of all we can
remove consider from each of the bullets
below
okay especially the second one which
says consider twice
now so this one would be using can we
just say you uh using using using grid
enhancing technology so take the first
five words out
yeah
yeah and that's studying
yeah maybe well okay yeah excellent
yeah that
works awesome well thank you all for the
word smithing and for
the help there thank you Ken for dealing
with
us um we we've touched most
recommendations that seemed
to raise
questions
um right now we just kind of like to
pull Authority me
are we comfortable adopting
the
report as written do we feel the need to
go one by one to make sure we have
majority support on each recommendation
what are what are put
thinking what I can do is can you just
scroll back up to the other
recommendations Ken can you just scroll
back up to the other recommendations
there's another page of recommendations
is there
not can you scroll down just so we can
see the bottom of this page
please
thank the governor instruct it
ordinance
Rec
govern
um
any comments
here
um couple of other items to raise um I
recommended we not include the
appendices
describing the history of the authority
we keep the enabling legislation as a
reminder to policy makers that our turn
required at 25 unless renewed and then
did have
a of course keep the listing of
authority members and demonstrate
the um the vacancies that we have for
governor Senate and speaker
appointees and Skyler kind of created a
score score sheet here for member
attendance which I thought was
good yeah so and I don't know whether
anyone can't off the top of their head
confirm their tendance quick yeah just a
quick a quick question are there any
other reports of various authorities or
uh citizen advisory boards that include
an attendance report for
me um I don't know but I know we do a
report to the governor's office every
year on member
attendance
yeah we've struggled a couple times this
this past year to reach the Forum um and
thought this would be a useful tracking
tool I think this may come into play in
whether or not members are
reelected just a quick on on Robert
sorry you're new and I'm picking on you
the term expiration date I think has a
typo um
273 Robert will still be kicking he'll
be here for another thousand
years and does everybody's uh
appointment expiration date look
correct
yes
great and what I can do is after
cleaning this all up doing all the final
formatting and stuff like that if you
all are going to vote to approve it now
send it out later today give everyone a
chance to read the thing in full and um
if you find errors Corrections typos and
stuff like that those can probably be
easily Incorporated it sounds like
you've all made it through the big
hurdles which I knew the the
recommendations were going to be those
yeah can I think that's an excellent
idea let's clean this up I think there
any formatting spelling grammatical
changes uh I think we'd have the
authorities approval to make those as uh
as are SE best fit um but we do have the
meat of everything solidified now so
with that with 15 minutes to spare uh
would entertain a motion to approve the
2023 annual
of the Virginia solar energy development
and energy storage
Authority um to get it to the right
folks for eventual delivery to the
governor and chairs of the proper
committees in the general
assembly I make that motion second
second who who was the second I was Paul
Paul whoever doesn't
matter you want to flip a coin or you
want we just pick one pick one I think I
heard Greg
first well a motion having been properly
made and seconded uh all those in favor
please signify by saying I I I
I um any
opposed can I to say that this is kind
of a milestone in that this may be the
first year that this report has been
submitted on
time one secondos anyone
in okay no no opposes no abstentions uh
looks to be unanimous approval of
authority members for this report and
sorry to interrupt you but completely
agree it years to get here making
concrete recomendations to policy makers
in Virginia so everybody feel very proud
uh this tailor down report I think made
it a lot easier of a document to deal
with and consider um so thank you
everybody this is a huge milestone folks
uh in the the governor's office are
really excited to read it um I spoke
with one
representative since our last meeting
and she emphatically said absolutely yes
we want recommendations we want to know
how to make things better for clean
energy solar and storage development so
I think there will be receptive years
receptive eyeballs reading this report
so thank you every hey hey scyler can I
make can I make comments think about
next year um and I totally agree agree
with all that and also um one comment
that Katherine said that I think was a
fair comment it was it was just a small
comment in in the larger conversation
but um we received a lot of
presentations from subject matter
experts this year one could argue that
they were one side of a conversation and
so without without create turning this
into a debate Forum um I do think if we
have a presentation where we know
there's like a discreet other side to
the story um and and I know you did give
some folks some opportunities to to who
declined to participate in other ways um
but let's just make sure it we don't
want a free-for-all debate concept but
if there's someone going to come in that
says Dominion sucks right all right well
they're going to say that Dominion ought
to have an opportunity to um to be heard
on you know why they don't and so just
as we think about topics for next year
just maybe something keep in the back of
our minds I think too Greg you know
seeing support of that we had also
talked about having the local
governments also come in and give their
perspective so I think that feeds very
very well into that overall you know
let's get a voice from from both sides
of the table so that we have an
understanding in for instance of the
setback uh considerations that they're
they're proposing and legislating and
things like that so I do I second
everything you just said I think that's
a a definite focus of what we need to do
well and that's the that's the the one I
was thinking of where my recollection is
that Skylar said we tried to get them to
come in just haven't been able to get
anybody um yeah so we can only do what
we can do yeah perfect segue to the next
topic topics for future meetings uh you
all right we did invite Veo that quietly
cin maybe later um my plan is to invite
V and the data center Coalition there
two organizations that Authority members
have previously identified give them the
floor on our I believe January 10th
meeting don't putote me on that think
can correct me but let's get that on
their calendars now and and make the
offer to that end um have this
opportunity at every meeting to
brainstorm future topics presenters do
any party members have any
recommendations on who we should invite
and would you as an authority member be
willing to help us invite those these
people I think the electrification theme
is something that you know
contacting uh for instance Blacksburg uh
I know they have a big push right now
for electrification uh with Virginia
Tech there uh I think that's one thing
that should consider and I could reach
out and take action with with them it's
my my former all mod so I could easily
reach out through there through peek and
and the other organizations uh I know
obviously uh Ken and and Aaron can also
reach out through tech and and reach to
the right people so I think the
electrification component is a big deal
I think it has an
implication uh for cities jurisdictions
towns you know Etc the local U
communities and co-ops and I would like
to hear that um I personally I think
it's more challenging down in Southwest
uh and the electrifications that are are
are coming there so having voices from
down there might be a different story
than what we have up here uh in Northern
Virginia like with Novak etc etc so I I
would urge some diversity there and then
the other I think the key thing is is
just with the infrastructure
bill um some of the localities are just
they're challenged on where it fits in
the bigger picture of what they're doing
and I don't know if we could get
somebody from the localities to either
Express their you know confusion their
support their you know whatever on some
of the infastructure works that are
going on and how it fits in I think that
could be useful too because that goes
right towards the the use of the grid
Edge Technologies it goes right towards
the electrification components it goes
right towards all of that and I feel
there's a there there for us at least to
be aware and be able to talk about it
next year at this time but I'll defer to
to everyone's wisdom and comments
here so Paul was two ideas one
electrification using Virginia T
blackburg and their goals as an example
resentative of Southwest and the yeah
suggestion was the infrastructure
bills impact on the
localities not so that's different than
the uh so you know the IRA and and those
are different and how localities can
utilize that money as part of the grid
Technologies so I think there's a the
ven diagrams do overlap the Virginia
Tech thing was completely different I
know Virginia Tech and Charlottesville
for instance and and other jurisdictions
are looking for the electrification
component which includes energy storage
mass transportation a depot level uh at
at you know semi- Etc and that is all
putting pressure on local
utilities and I think that's going to
have an impact back in the Commonwealth
and so I would like to hear those
perspectives I don't think
we're we have a very vocal footprint
with respect to rication and the
components of EVs and and perhaps larger
Transportation type of electrification
so I think having a voice there next
year would be something of
worthwhile okay for what what it's worth
uh one of our ex employees is now the
head of the utilities for Virginia Tech
and he's very knowledgeable and he comes
from Dominion also um and he might be a
good
candidate that would be perfect yeah
that that would be perfect and I have a
relationship with peek and you know the
folks down there within the town within
the city for from other stuff so I'd be
happy to to help lead that with with you
guys um so those would be the two and
then I also have an open item that I
committed to at the last meeting and
that was to reach out to the Engineering
Group at the
SEC um and asked them if they'd be
willing to come in and give us their
perspectives on interconnection of uh
both uh
not just both but including uh solar
energy storage and electric vehicle
service equipment or evse type of of
things but Skyler would it be
appropriate and maybe this is as much a
question for Katherine if Katherine if
you're so here is is for Skylar but to
just have like a presentation from
utilities or the co-ops or the munis or
somebody to just come in and give us
their perspective on um all these issues
just so open sort of come give us your
view um I'd suggest that the authority
might want to hear about our battery our
new storage pilot that was recently
announced because we are piloting a few
different technologies that are longer
duration storage technologies
that which is different different
Technologies if you all want to hear
about that we could get our subject
matter experts together to talk about
that topic specifically
that's the
long oh I'm sorry oh I was gonna say I I
like that idea I saw the announcement of
those pilots and that's really exciting
maybe in conjunction to that we could
also have um somebody who can speak to
kind of the the current grid scale um
solar and storage deployments of that
are happening in Dominion's
territory and and Skylar if we haven't
talked to them maybe it's worth inviting
Sam brumberg from the co-ops to give us
a solar and energy storage and Co-op
territory
update and he's volunteered several
times just his schedule has never
worked Sam would be happy to do that I'm
sure with
appco yeah yeah yeah everybody do appco
co-ops I mean I don't know we can
squeeze them all into one day but I
don't know if someone on behalf of the
municipals wants to talk about what's
going on in their
territory it would be a cool idea to
have an
extended um workshop with as many co-ops
and munis as we are willing to get
together as are willing to attend to
talk about solar and storage and
exchange
ideas and EV I think EV is the snowball
coming down the m
um our discussions with Public Power
show it's the it's a very big unknown
for
them excellent
okay thank you I've done my my best to
jot these down and then Ken when we make
the minutes for this let's try to spell
these out as a discreet topic topics for
for
meetings do demand resp response
technology and solution providers fall
under our
purview like vehicle to Grid
or residential storage things like
that so I think the short answer let me
take a stab at that and then we can we
can discuss how accurate this is so when
we talk about demand response we're
typically talking about load type of
Technology IES demand response right so
the question then becomes when you
couple that with the generation and and
you mentioned EV and you mentioned you
know maybe residential type of storage
we now have a dispatchable resource that
can actually act as that generator
behind the meter to provide equivalently
you know to to reduce load so I get the
demand response component but I also
think these are behind the me meter de
components and your you're exact right
the ev2 Grid or or of that nature where
we have rolling storage that potentially
could could be putting energy on on the
grid I do think is under the energy
storage component bucket of our our
Charter and where we are because it is
storage just because it's got four
wheels doesn't take it out of the out of
the
contention I think Tesla sitting in our
garage uh absolutely is part of that
discussion whether it's behind the meter
or above the meter utility scale is not
a distinguishable factor and the
aggregations of these devices will move
the needle for the local utility as well
as for the the transmission utility so
in aggregate so I do think it it is
under our umbrella to be very much
cognizant of them I don't know the role
due to the penetrations and where the
technology lies in the in the pipeline
if it's our Focus but I think it's a
discussion piece in our overall
purview I don't know how the other
members feel about that
characterization Paul I know L about it
um Robert if you've got ideas for
presentations or something that we could
dig into there we all yours yeah yeah I
mean some of our clients work in work in
those sectors and I'm sure they would
welcome the opportunity to to speak with
you all with us
all yeah you're part of it now
too there's an Us in
there didn't change your mind did it
Robert sorry this meeting didn't change
your mind did it no no I'm still
in the sausage making at the at its
finest we got to see it it'll be posted
on YouTube
later no it won't or maybe it will
be I believe a few members of the public
here U will give a brief opportunity as
we always do encourage folks to share
public comment with the authority uh is
there anybody online who would like to
share any
perspectives with the authority at this
time well Chris and Abigail if you join
next time I'm going to call on You by to
share some comments but um are there any
other uh items to address
today now let me just say the next
meeting is January 9th not the
10th thank you it's the start of the
ga yeah thank you and appreciate that
reminder and I uh as mentioned last
meeting have been in contact with the
clerk of the house and I believe next
week they will open up the system for us
booking and building and the new
Assembly Building for uh future meetings
with all of their technology
capabilities um easy easy parking and uh
and a nice meeting room for everyone so
that's the tentative location for the
meeting on the night if they're not too
busy preparing for the session in their
new Office Buildings but uh we'll let
you all know as soon as possible and
Robert we have meetings set quarterly in
2024 uh if those AR AR already on your
calendar um Ken will share those with
you just so um you can you need to
forward those to you yeah I would
appreciate that thank
you
perfect um thank you everybody huge
congrats on taking this important step
forward Ken will share a final draft and
a PDF form with folks today make any
formatting changes and then get this
shipped off uh to the folks at the
energy department and then um the final
recipients report
if there's nothing else to add i'
entertain a motion to adjourn until
before you before you do I'm going to
send the final copy out but when I give
you till what tomorrow close of business
to get me any things you see in there is
that enough yeah
yes would entertain a motion to adjourn
until January so
move
second please say I
hi thank you thanks everyone thanks
everyone
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