um April and Gary our
joining us virtually
um we've got our speakers
um
so a couple of housekeeping items one is
uh we already have the Owl Cameras here
um for the virtual part so I would ask
if you're asked if I figure the
discussion please speak up so the folks
online
um web access can hear us uh
um
I'm sorry I always miss the pronouncer
once they go home no no problem oh
you're fine
we'll get to that one and then a bit
later
um in the program we're going to have uh
Christine uh participated from Nei and
give us an update on following your
legislative sessions outside of Virginia
and simple things that are going on at
the state level
um and then we'll have uh some of our
regular businesses as well uh so before
we jump in I wanted to get into and
start with a little bit of a safety
message then if you're an interesting
one in our company this week
um as we're getting into the height of
Summer it was about water and boating
safety we'll take you through all of the
um specifics there but there are two
things I think they're good reminders on
the water side one is if you're you know
swimming in light servers oceans
um don't go swimming by yourself
um I'll just think about this
um the other day I sometimes I figure
out at the lake or something you know in
the cabinets kind of
it's first thing in the morning if no
one's up going and jumping in the lake
and waking yourself up stop and drive to
start the day probably also not the best
safety practice though
um so just something to be to remind
yourself of and then in terms of boating
safety for those of you that do vote
good idea there's um refresh of course
is obviously can be
um the boating license but you know you
don't have to do that all the time so
you know books save people more since
there's so much online
um and you can go in this service as a
refresher I think that's a good practice
uh some of our my colleagues recommended
that yesterday they just develop every
Every Spring and Before Memorial day
before they get out on their boat they
go and do a refreshing course online
it's in you know it's 10 minutes or so
and then it's a good way to refresh your
memory so anyway as we get into summer
and a couple of good things to think
about there
um
so I would like to go around and do
introductions we've got
um Michael Jacob Michael Jangles here
from the Attorney General's office who's
on a new
um representative
um and uh Randy fix yourself as well but
why don't we start so everybody you know
was in the room
that's down uh I'm Tim Stellar uh with
the Virginia partnership
Jeff Fox will be in Richmond Virginia
Attorney General's office
Bill Graystone George Washington
University
I'm in the group I'm uh Randy Heflin
from Virginia Tech uh the phone is a
little old there I'm a senior associate
vice president of social Innovation
starting uh beginning of January uh our
fall into the research in the public
science and physics faculty member
being very attractive
cop will bwxt and John Capps
representative Community policies
foreign
ER are helping us from a meeting with uh
Brandi still still part of the team
confirming that so yeah could we go
through
um who's on the on the WebEx they need
that it might be the easiest
um
that we were going to have a Critic
coming up on you just for Farmers Okay
so we've had April waiting
perfect owl
Christina maybe that's a uh
Gary Tupper the worms
and then we've actually phone numbers
you want to say
yeah we have so there's two 804 phone
numbers one pending and four one can be
identify yourself
good morning this is Chelsea from
Commerce and trade
thank you and the phone number 804
ending in four with one
hey this is Chrissy
with Reed Smith I'm I'm dialed in
WebEx because I was having a little bit
of trouble with the audio
thank you thank you
right and is the Michael is that Michael
Wembley
you're on mute
okay well well I think that's probably
just because I know um micros was
tentative so anyway
um so next we're going to jump in uh
and
I've got a party we're gonna jump into
your presentation so I know Devin has uh
slides that we're going to share
all those up and
got a party there uh the floor is yours
if you make sure you're unneeded and um
hello can you hear me please
yes
okay so Devin would you please make it
into a presentation mode
sorry make it weapon yeah
so this is in space
those of you who do not know me uh
basically I was one of the
founding board of directors of Veena k
and I represent uh many institutions as
you can see from this I have many hats
uh to start with I would like to give
you a an idea of what is going on in the
world that I am in
I went to India as part of a delegate of
U.S nuclear commercial mission in
February of 2020
and there are big weeks like
uh big companies were there and the only
startup company that was representing uh
there and I gave my presentation
on this breeder burner subtitle micro
reactor using thorium
and I had a very good response from the
Planning Commission secretary who stated
that yes you have a future
and also I was invited by the chief CMD
that's uh Chief managing director I
think
a chairman managing director of a
corporation called
uh
anyway so
I was invited by this largest company in
India which produces power
with coal natural gas wind solar and
they do not have actually nuclear in
their portfolio
uh because it's under the department of
atomic Energies
npcil is the only one that is allowed to
do nuclear power in India
but these guys are very much interested
in our system mainly because it is a
distributed power of about 10 megawatt
capacity which could be a potentially
useful for them to back up their
renewable systems
so I was actually I had a ticket to go
to
daily to meet with him face to face on
March 17th of 2020 and unfortunately
United Airlines cancel their flights
so that could happen
and also I was about to go this year I
think it was May 31st I had a
face-to-face meeting
arranged with him and my family won't
let me travel to India because we had
two grandkids one is only about a couple
of days old at the time so they don't
want me to go and catch good and come
back and give it to the family so
uh basically the Indian connection at
the moment is uh a week and how we got
into India nuclear energy partnership is
I think next view graph should tell you
a little bit more about it
okay so to give me to give you a
background about me I was able to advise
co-advised 12 page diseases and two Ms
thesis uh representing uh the
University's homie Baba National
Institute which is in India and IIT
Madras where I got my PhD North Carolina
State University and Old Dominion
uh Southern University where I did my
postdoctoral work on Virginia
Commonwealth University where I am
affiliated
I have about 12 patents on accelerated
Technologies
I established a an international
not-for-profit organization which is
based at my home which supports grad and
postdocs attendance at conferences and
also hosts hydrogen matter conferences
around the world
as well as the accelerator during
systems and thorium utilization
International workshops
so the Virginia ads Consortium has
actually created uh which is an informal
entity created with the first meeting
hosted by Dominion
at their ins Book Center in I believe
it's in 2011. and it was at the session
of late professor srikmart Banerjee who
was the chairman of Indian atomic energy
commission and Secretary of the
Department of energy at that time to
government of India to first U.S India
nuclear energy partnership through
University centers rather than the
National Labs he felt that because he
was the also the chancellor of homi Baba
National Institute which is a deemed
University based in br's in Mumbai
and if you don't know about homie baba
homi baba actually thought about Thorium
energy is the main thing that would help
the humanity uh that is his vision and
he the India tried to implement it with
three-stage program which is I think it
will take another 50 years because of
that they thought they can shortcut that
using accelerator Technologies to
implement right away that's why I got
pulled into this though I was not into
nuclear space at that time
and
also in U.S you know Alvin Weinberg who
was the proponent of thorium energy and
who built the molten salt reactor
experiment which was successful and
unfortunately thorium did not make
Headway mainly because thorium systems
will not produce plutonium and at that
time producing large amount of plutonium
for the reference program is very
important
and uh Rick vanow were basically
implemented the light water technology
which is the basis for all the nuclear
power around the world
so that is the backdrop of this and this
organization Virginia it is Consortium
was main players were VCU Virginia Tech
and Dominion uh David Christian was part
of it and Sama Bilbao and this I believe
is a precursor to the creation of Veena
K which I got involved rational
beginning which established v-neck
I am a currently an srf fellow on face
retirement at Jefferson lab uh I started
a corporation called BSC Systems Inc in
2019
which has about five million dollars
Angel investment commitments but we
require about
another 25 million dollars to able to
build a first
Advanced subtitle micro reactor which I
am going to describe a little bit in
detail which also has medical
applications we can produce actinium 225
as part of this system
BSE systems have recently teamed up with
the Taurus releases
ah arvind Patel is the CEO of tourist
places I asked him to join this meeting
uh basically we have a proven rapid
prototyping engineering experience of
our 100 years next view graph please
this is a little bit about the BSC
thorough study systems and their
background in in the energy projects
they have training simulators that were
built at Surrey and artana
uh for nuclear and they also built I
think the training systems for thermal
power stations
they're also involved with electrical
transmission and distribution Automation
and their original equipment
manufacturers in the defense area they
work with doe
nnl and also they built digital twins of
supervisory control and data acquisition
systems for Newport New shipbuilding and
nnl antibody they are very much
interested in the integrated Energy
Systems in collaboration with bsce
uh regarding the distributed microgrids
and smart electric grids and small micro
reactors using molten salt urine animal
and thorium fuel Cycles if you have any
questions I am I believe arvind is will
be very happy to answer you
next video please
so this is the basic concept of what we
are working uh if I can share one
viewgraph my from my computer uh
let me see that I can do that uh
Kevin can you give me control
for sharing
you should be able to
oh yeah so
uh looks like I have firewall here let
me know
can you see my screen now
foreign
are you able to see my screen
oh it's then still open
sorry for the technical difficulties so
uh
no it's not it's just the Mac it's just
a well anyway this is system is based on
you can go back to your stuff
this is based on a fundamental physics
principle called photonuclear reactions
and basically we use Electron Beam high
energy CW electrons to go into the small
tensile system that is shown in the main
block
which will produce additional neutrons
that will generate create uranium 233
eventually but we will have to begin
with a few kilograms of uranium-233 in
the system anyway so it will be a kind
of a greater burner in equilibrium
under equilibrium conditions we will
never have more than 5 kilograms of a
fashionable material so this is a very
safe system
uh
based on my Concepts presented at the
ads conference in Belgium at Mira
project
uh Oak Ridge National Lab invited me to
give a presentation uh in 2020 on our
Concepts because they are very much
interested
we decided to work together and we paid
to submit a proposal to doe of some
nuclear energy and then we found out
that thorium pure cycle is not supported
and specifically excluded
as a result we could not proceed with
that collaboration
and some of you might be knowing that
there is a Senate Bill s 40 4242
uh which is uh basically thorium energy
Security Act uh they are I think it's
went through a couple of readings and
the committee is looking at it once
passed we'll be able to I think
implement the thorium fuel Cycles in the
country we can put our micro reactor
program on Fast Track
we're also working with our Virginia
representatives to bring a similar bill
in the house hopefully this will not
take too long
next view graph please
so we have actually identified a site
for our
ASMR it will be at the kill click
Commerce Center Development Area shown
here there are about 250 Acres that are
in shaded yellow which is going to be a
solar system solar project I believe it
is going to be by Dominion
and we are looking at if you look at the
left side of the view graph in the
middle they have this is actually old
Fuel Depot they have a concrete uh
sellers for storing the gasoline
and we are hoping to build our system in
one of these
concrete silos on the left side of this
view graph of course we have a long way
to go to get this going
uh
hopefully that v-neck a will be able to
help us and arvind Patel is very much
interested in joining v-neck so that he
can push this for us
next to your graph please
so what are the unique aspects of the
ASMR
ASMR when it's implemented you will be
able to divorce from minor action ads
for good that means you don't have to
deal with radio toxic
minor accidents that are up to 30 000
years
because we are going to eliminate q235
on u238
we can also reduce
the concerned regarding nuclear
population because our systems will
never have more than 5 kilograms and
these will be monitored
via web with digital twin and they can
be controlled remotely it's very
difficult the way they are going to be
built to take anything out of it
they also serve as backup generators to
Renewables and also they could become
part of this new highway EV charging
stations because they are
micro reactors you can actually build
starting with five megawatt electricity
producing
they can also use it in much needed
hydrogen economy which could eliminate
all the fossil fuels from the
Transportation Systems
they also can serve as high temperature
heat sources for industrial processes we
have a DOD retired economists who looked
at the economics of our system and he
thinks that most of the industrial
heating sources from fossils fuels can
be replaced with our micro reactors and
the cost of these things are about a one
dollar per watt
they are highly economical they are
Ultra Clean Super safe and they are
distributed sources
so the motto that I would like the
vision that I would like to project for
our asmrc's declining coal enthronic
nuclear uh through these micro reactors
sizzling out gas enabling Renewables is
a pathway to zero carbon and I think we
can lead the humanity out of this global
warming scenario this and these things
can be built in a fast way because they
are small they can be transported
anywhere
so we propose to build this at the site
we believe is suitable for us under a
PPP in Yorktown hopefully a v-neck and
Vena K can help us in getting there
these micro reactors also are capable of
producing actinium 225 which is a major
uh
I think Alpha emitter that can be used
both for uh you know cancer treatments
as well as figuring out what kind of
stuff that is there
uh I think that's all I have to say and
I am working for any questions there is
a presentation that I gave it to I sent
along uh which will be which I hope will
be part of this meeting
and please go through that if you have
any questions please uh
get back to me I'll be very happy to
answer all your questions
thank you uh ganapati uh yes so there
was a uh we have a more a more detailed
presentation I've asked Randy after
being and she can send it around to the
whole board so we have it for
um for folks to look at
um yeah I know that this meeting doesn't
have much time to go through all the
final details but the physics is very
straightforward and very simple
and the only issue we have is Thor young
fuel cycle is not supported by the Es at
the stage though India wants to do it
but they went through the three
phase route which is very complex they
have to build fast reactors and they are
very anxious to work with us
and they will be able to actually build
things for us at no cost if we can
develop a collaboration between the uh
Virginia uh universities and the ASMR
that we can jointly build here they will
be able to join with us and they can
build a similar system in India and we
can actually make a good progress
because India is very wealth with
ethereum cycle
so one question which is let me open up
are there any questions from
um
I have one question Tom
um Donna potty how are you
um good nice to see you
um I just want to ask you you just
mentioned the universities have you been
reaching out to the universities already
on your project
uh they all know about it yes of course
the I'm talking to the colleagues at VCU
we plan to go for a NSF funding uh for a
university-based neutron Science Center
kind of which can produce medical
Isotopes there's a group that is
interested in a particularly in acronym
two to five
uh at VCU and of course Virginia Tech I
am a part of in a way as you see it uh
their interest is more mainly in the
proton-based systems which are going to
be very expensive to build and that will
take a long time to give you an idea
about the proton based area systems or
there is a project called Meera the
largest project first project in Europe
they are spending about 500 million
dollars to get up to 100 Mev proton
Linux
but you need at least 700 Mev proton
linac to do the nuclear energy
efficiently whereas with electron Linux
we can do it at the 10 Mev electron
Linux very compact we can also produce
high beam power up to megawatt whereas
that's very difficult it will cost more
than a billion dollars to build that
kind of systems
this is can be done today this can
change the scenario completely ntpcil I
didn't want to say the name before which
is the national
thermal power Corporation of India the
chairman managing director is very much
interested and he wants to they can
actually bankroll this project they make
about five billion dollar profit
unfortunately he wants to have a
face-to-face meeting and of course they
are not in the nuclear sphere they have
to get government affiness approval to
get in that but if we can come together
in Virginia to build such a first unit I
believe we can get support from India in
a big way
and you know the whole Virginia area is
Consortium and all that we are talking
about is initiated with the solution of
Sigma Banerjee unfortunately he passed
away with kovid last year
otherwise he would have been great help
in India and I have Direct
Communications with the chairman of the
current atomic energy commission and
also secretary Department of atomic
energy srivyas he is very much
interested in this project they have a
new center coming up in
visakhapatnam they would like to build a
similar thing in India and we would like
to collaborate but I think it can happen
with our University Partners here and I
saw him is a non-profit which can lead
that uh if it's a difficulty with
universities I said can I saw him can
take a lead with the universities to
start this going in non-profit area
if that is what is required to make the
progress quickly and of course v-neck
can support it and arvind is interested
in becoming member of Winx so that he
can do all the leg work for that through
v-neck
so please reach out to him and uh
tell him how to become a member of Enoch
oh I had answered your question
that's helpful I think uh might probably
be the the easiest thing would be for
for you and your colleagues to con if
you're interested in getting that
membership would be to contact April
um
to start that discussion
should know this and I wanted to update
uh you guys some of you know me quite
well uh so I thought you know it would
be interesting to
uh make take this forward
yeah it's good to get the update
um I think we should should stay stay in
touch and if there's
um interest in in v-neck membership
which is obviously different than than
vinegar we can
move that forward yeah I mean Vena care
could take a lead to support us in this
because that's what that's actually
within the space of being okay
uh to take up with uh I think General
Assembly if we want if you want to help
us you know as I said I have about five
million dollars sitting out in a bank
that I I only wish to draw that once I
have the rest of the things together I
don't want to take money unless I see a
path forward to quickly accomplishing
this
and if pinaka is interested I will bring
my angel investors to talk about it so
that we can go to State and see how
State can help us to lead this you know
Virginia is a nuclear hotbed of the
world you know we have so many reactors
sitting right back door to me here in
Newport News
we should this is a really uh a cool
system very simple
and the basic principles were known in
1950s they proposed this kind of a
system in 1950s and unfortunately
efficient CWA electron Linux are not
available until recently this is
basically I have a uh
BSE has a provisional patent on the new
technology that we are working to make
them extremely efficient
and they are we have Partners at uh in
Japan kek the National Lab is working
directly with me on this technology
because they want to use it in the
future electron linear collider they
hope to build in Japan and this
technology that I'm talking about which
will be the base of this asmrs will be
the Baseline technology for that eight
billion dollar project so we have
everything that we need to do Oak Ridge
is very much interested in working with
us
unfortunately the sodium fuel cycle is
not supported currently and hopefully
this Senate bill and the house version
I'm hoping that our Representatives will
bring it out
will happen within next year and we can
really accomplish this within the next
three to four years if we put our mind
to it what Genie could save the humanity
from global warming if it wishes to
I absolutely have no doubt
you have a question yeah I think I might
already know the answer but I'm curious
if there's a different answer what are
your options or sources for YouTube 33
just for acquiring uh to start up you do
33 we have quite a bit sitting uh
apparently this espo242
is uh about is supposed to prevent that
being you know destroyed yeah I think I
know what's happening with the current
u233
uh I think there's a Bill Gates as a
company uh which is trying to milk this
to aactinium 225 and destroy the stuff
and I think that's what they are trying
to prevent
uh for us actually we don't need u-233
to start with because we can produce in
our micro reactor u233 ourselves because
we are adding additional neutrons
that will trans that will make the
fertile U thorium-232 through fissile
u-233 of course there is a lag of about
60 days and so we can actually ramp this
up it will take maybe six months to
start really producing power but we can
do that the reason we are trying to put
at this location in your county is there
is a solar pump going to be built there
so we will have access to the power
directly there initially
I hope I addressed I answer your
question
we don't need the u-233 like other
people that are trying to build ethereum
reactors because we breed
tradition we photonuclear reaction we
have a gamma n reaction that actually
produces uh u233 from thorium-232 and
the Oak Ridge has all the information
about to solve the chemistry issues with
that
all we need is uh the ESL Stadium fuel
cycle and that this does not require
billions of dollars all we need is about
25 million dollars for the first unit so
we only want to build a one megawatt
level first unit so that's why my
estimated cost is 25 if you want to
build a 5 megawatt probably it will be
double it will be 50 million dollars
and we are talking about three to four
years to implement this this is a unique
thing I think v-neck K has to take this
to the state and see what can be done
so we are trying to do what we can
so I'd be curious uh so we've got to
move on to the next item on our our
agenda but I would uh just clarify one
thing on the counterparty in terms of
where the neck is role versus v-necks
here so you know vinecta we're an
advisory
um board as you'll remember so we have
these meetings and we
um provide advice but we're not an
advocacy
um bodies that's more um being actual so
I would recommend again that if you you
reach out to April
um you know about Will's membership and
and where v-neck um in the v-neck board
might be able to consider the advocacy
Avenues here but um and then we
obviously stay informed of the X
activities
um and understand where we can provide
other advice there but um yeah oh I
understand actually these meetings are
pretty open in the past it and I will
get was not like that I could not find
it on the web and arvind actually found
the links for his meeting which I
couldn't find in the past but anyway
gave up now I will be a regular member a
participant of this uh if there is a
vacancy on the v-neck a I would like to
represent our
psce
Taurus together on the board
well yeah we can
um we can look at look at that as we
have and we have the vacancies
um okay well thank you for
um for the presentation and Sir one
second thanks
yes so so
um I'm sorry I see a hand raised Finland
full set can you just identify
um yourself where you're with and and
then your question
Arlen can you hear us
okay all right well if we have the the
question we can come back come back to
that later but again thank you I
appreciate the presentation and we'll
stay in touch yeah thank you very much
Tom having me
so um we're actually going to jump ahead
in the agenda because
um Christine uh justinia from Nei has
been able to join us a little bit early
so we want to make
um good use of her time we appreciate uh
Christine joining us she's a senior
director for uh state government Affairs
and advocacy at the nuclear energy
Institute she Christine kind of
traverses well non-poven times to
Traverse the United States uh when the
state legislatures which there's been a
ton of activity over the past couple
years including this last last
legislation on
um nuclear energy issues um so we have a
pretty good understanding what's going
on in Virginia we heard last time some
of the activity going on in Wyoming
around Terror power and the nature
project but I thought it'd be good for
Christine to join us and provide a
little bit of an update on some of the
other state activity uh things that
might be examples of ah legislation or
initiatives that Virginia can undertake
or else just to kind of understand
what's going on outside of Virginia so
um with that Christine I think we're
going to share your slides and turn the
floor over to you terrific well thanks
Tom I appreciate the time and appreciate
the time on the agenda
um and accommodating me
um we are hosting our nuclear energy
assembly it's our annual meeting and
actually Dan Studdard is um on our stage
right now interviewing the NRC chairman
um so just wanted to run back for that
one but um so thanks for the time this
morning really appreciate this
opportunity there's loads to share so I
will try to run through it and happy to
have more conversations with folks if
you have questions about different
policies in the state of play uh in
different states
um so a little bit about Nei where the
national trade Association that
represents the entire nuclear industry
so we've obviously got the big utilities
like our good friends at Dominion but
the complete supply chain and a lot of
those folks do sit in Virginia as well
so
our membership actually overlaps quite a
bit with v-neck so I'm happy to have
this this opportunity to connect with
folks
um so if we just jump to my first slide
so Tom did ask me to kind of run through
a little bit about what is going on in
other states and so this gives you a
snapshot of this year and the collection
of policies that have passed over the
last few years and so as you can see the
greens are the states that have actually
been passed the blues were considered
some states adjourned and did not fully
pass their bills
um but uh point being that you see a lot
of color uh here and this is something
that we have never seen in the history
of the nuclear industry I've been with
Nei for 15 years
and when I started maybe we would see
five to ten bills that would have any
impact on nuclear
um in different states it just wasn't
really much of an appetite from States
um and then over the last few years here
there's been a couple of different
Trends
um and this map really just shows you
the advanced nuclear Trend and the
appetite for states to learn more about
new nuclear but over the last couple of
years you've probably seen in the news
quite a bit of conversation about
preserving nuclear uh and the value of
the existing Fleet and that came in a
lot of different uh shapes and forms but
a lot of States passed things called sex
so zero emission credit programs there
are a handful of states that pass those
programs
and they have different clocks and
different timelines so all those states
are kind of going through that Journey
but really what we saw this year and we
were ready for it in terms of we
expected states to be looking at new
nuclear but the scope of policies as
states started to consider was much
bigger than what we had anticipated
um don't get me wrong we're very eager
to accommodate all of these these States
interested in nuclear uh in new nuclear
but really just want to make sure that
we're providing policy makers with the
best information so that they can make
informed policy decisions and so with
that if you flip to the next slide
so more interesting I think for this
group really is the types of policies
that have been considered so this gives
you the snapshot of the bills that were
introduced this year specifically
specifically around new nuclear
um and I'll get to a little bit more
about some other policies as well but
just to the point that this gives you an
idea of
um the the nature of some of the
policies and some states are in
different places than other states I
would certainly put Virginia at the head
of the class uh Virginia and Idaho or
two states that have really created
forums for thoughtful
um you know nuclear technology and
policy to be developed over time
some states were set back by barriers
that were put in place years ago so if
you look at States like West Virginia
and Connecticut where they have a
nuclear moratorium that needed to be
repealed
um you know that's not a hurdle that
Virginia has to overcome so that puts
you ahead of some of that that kind of
the race uh in nuclear
um and then you look at some of the
other bills like
um
uh you know task forces or a big chunk
of States really we're looking at
studying nuclear uh and that was a trend
that started in Montana this past two
sessions ago they passed two bills they
repealed their moratorium and they
concurrently passed a bill to study a
call to nuclear transition and so a lot
of these states are looking at different
versions of studies and some of them are
called to nuclear Maryland just came out
it's not captured in this slide Maryland
Energy Administration just provided a
grant to x-energy to uh to study a Colts
nuclear transition but just to the point
that there's different versions of what
a feasibility study would look like and
frankly I I'm a fan of that I think that
they all should look different seats are
very different in what they need and
what their profile looks like so I
really do think this is a smart approach
in terms of of how states are looking at
this and then some of the bills are
really specific too
accommodating a specific project so in
Wyoming if that bill was really meant to
accommodate the the natrium project
being deployed in Alaska
there's a microreactor to be deployed at
a Air Force Base and then they've
identified another location for another
microreactor and those bills are really
specific to trying to make sure that
those projects were being encouraged but
the general Trend here really is and
this is how it kind of characterized it
to a lot of audiences States want to
learn more about nuclear and they want
to know what they can do next to
encourage this business into their into
their state and that's something that
you know Virginia has has done for a
long time
so I would certainly say again you're a
little bit ahead of the class so we're
all catching up to you across the
country
he just jump to the next slide
so I do just want to mention the the
work that's being done um that's not
policy oriented
um so there's a number of demonstration
projects with I guess you you've heard
from Terra power and some other folks
maybe you've heard from UAMS or some
other folks who run these projects but
these are the states where there's
really important work being done around
stakeholder engagement and so they're
not passing bills necessarily but they
are doing a lot of the work in terms of
encouraging
community support and making sure that
the community is informed and there's
public forums to to share information to
answer questions because the projects
are actually being deployed uh in these
states Washington and um and Wyoming
have the demonstration projects Idaho
has the carbon Freight power project
that is meant to be deployed at the
Idaho National Lab and then in Tennessee
you've got Tennessee Valley Authority
that just committed to a new nuclear
program so it's very exciting for that
entire Appalachian region actually but
just to the point that there's a lot of
work being done that is not necessarily
policy oriented but it's still very
important to new deployment and then
finally the next slide is just some
mentions of some of the other pieces of
legislation or policies that are just
really important to nuclear and they
impact nuclear but it doesn't
necessarily come in in the form of bills
in North Carolina I don't know if folks
followed last year they passed a Big
decarbonization Bill
and that was sent to the Public Utility
Commission it essentially directed Duke
Energy to put together a plan
for how they're going to decarbonize and
they put together some scenarios in all
of their scenarios included new nuclear
so just terrific so all the options
include include the existing Fleet and
and new nuclear and how they're going to
reach their goals and then in Louisiana
I just well I'll touch on some of these
just to the point that um you know they
put the governor put together a climate
plan to explicitly recognize this
nuclear and so important for us to just
see these different
um programs that uh that recognize
nuclear however it comes and then
finally my last slide
is you know a lot of the work that Nei
does is on the national scale so we are
looking at
um you know we do follow the trends in
the states overall and uh where we're
invited we do engage in some State
policy conversations and and do some of
that work
um but we do do a lot of our work with
national organizations of State policy
makers um and so these are some of the
partners that we work with and I'll just
share that you know this is the work
that I do
um kind of every day with some other
folks on on the team and all of these
organizations are hungry for information
they want to learn about nuclear they
want to have nuclear as a part of the
conversation I was just at the
Republican Governor's association
meeting
um and you know nuclear was right up
front uh with all the other uh
generators in a clean energy discussion
um so it's just terrific to be a part of
these conversations and making sure that
we steer the ship correctly and make
sure that policy makers have the the
best informed info Nation before they
make their policy decisions so happy to
to dig deeper into any of the other
state policies but that's kind of the
snapshot of what's going on there's
loads going on I would just you know the
the numbers that I point people to is
eight states have passed bills this year
uh to encourage new nuclear and then
you've also got other states like
Maryland that that passed a big climate
package that recognizes the existing
asset of Calvert Cliffs
um so it's coming in a lot of different
ways shapes and forms um and that's I
think that's the right approach because
every State's so different so I'm
excited to see what Virginia does next
and happy to to help in whatever that
looks like
so thanks for your time folks
thanks Christine
um that was really helpful uh questions
so
I have I have one I think so there's a
lot of different positive
um activity there
but this I would say the profile of safe
is pretty diverse right I don't think
there's one specific
um
through line there but what what do you
think is the maybe the top three or what
what's motivating the states to have
what do you think yeah I mean that's
that's the right question it's a smart
question in terms of you know uh what's
behind a lot of these bills and it does
differ uh by state I think a few years
ago we kind of saw a big trend from
um maybe some of the Bluer States in
terms of
um you know environmental goals carbon
cutting goals
um you know Virginia being one of them
in terms of you know setting a you know
100 clean energy standard and a lot of
those states have passed them and now
have to figure out how they're going to
enact how you're going to reach those
goals
um and then you've got another bucket of
States like in West Virginia
specifically I would point to that one
in in Nebraska those are two states so
Nebraska's passed two bills now they're
studying smrs and they added a tax
incentive program for new nuclear and
then in West Virginia a coal heavy state
right and they passed a nuclear
moratorium repeal uh within weeks of
their legislative session starting and a
full Trifecta of support I mean
overwhelming bipartisan votes house
senate Governor Justice signed it uh
quickly you know just really surprising
um and it didn't get a lot of attention
but right after West Virginia passed
this this moratorium repeal they passed
a resolution that essentially said they
need a reliable grid and nuclear energy
is the way that you're going to get
there so they were specifically calling
out reliability is their big need
um and then I would also point to
Nebraska as um their anchor to this
entire conversation is reliability but
then when you look to Wyoming they're
certainly looking at coal closures as a
threat to their community communities
and their economy and how what are they
going to do about that same goes for
like a Montana where they're they're
looking at that cold to nuclear
transition that's you know heavily
driven in economics
um and the jobs and the fact that
nuclear jobs are 30 or paid 30 higher
than the average energy job
um you know those things really resonate
with State policy makers about how
they're welcoming new businesses into
their community so just to the point I
do think that um the motivation is
varying
so I can't point to one thing but uh I
would say with some of the redder States
is certainly it's they're looking more
at reliability and the economy
um and then you've got some other states
that are looking at the carbon free
attribute of nuclear as the biggest
asset so
um sorry that was a little rambling but
uh it does vary by by state
that's good just a barrier playing off
this question if you're if your answer
are you seeing in states in the clean
energy acts back sort of all call
industry weigh-in for thinking more
those who consume live large amounts or
a lot of processes you know rather be on
the clean path or maybe in their states
they have X goals they need to in a year
or two I'm curious how that's playing in
the state legislature model so they're
doing this at all and feeding into at
least statements at least look at
nuclear as an option yeah yeah and again
it has varied a little bit in terms of
just um the policy
um that that
um you know the consumer the the large
consumers are are supporting so there
was a lot of opposition like in in New
Jersey and and maybe Alesso in Illinois
around the zero emission credit programs
um you know when they're looking at the
cost of of
their generation and it might
potentially go up but then you look at
um I don't know if folks heard about
this one and I'm happy to send it around
but new core steel who made a huge
investment in uh West Virginia they
decided they were going to put one of
their manufacturing facilities it's a
two billion dollars
and that's a huge investment for the
state of West Virginia they came out
with a um an agreement with new scale
um and they said that they want to look
at
um they want to look at smrs as a
potential supplier for for their
facilities
um and they're doing that because that's
where their customers are demanding
um they don't want to have
um you know their generation coming from
a non-clean source
um so just to the point that there
there's definitely I would say varying
interest in terms of some of those
connections but that is
um we are definitely seeing it come out
in a lot of states it just depends on
kind of who the stakeholders in the
state might be
I think one and just an anecdote on that
one of the things that was interesting
the debate and Christina was definitely
involved in this the debate a few years
ago in Illinois
um that had been actually led into the
Republic two years ago and last year on
the
um sort of sex program but for different
executively called but one of the big
discussions was about the costs to
Consumers potentially going up by
maintaining the nuclear plants what's
actually happened certainly in the last
six months or so
um to the year as the actual gas prices
have started to increase exponentially
the cost of nuclear doesn't change that
much of what are the arguments making a
yes it's maybe a little bit more
expensive at the time but it's not going
to see these wild things and natural gas
now is nine ten dollars uh a BTU which
is three times what it was then it's
really having an impact on the price the
nuclear is actually much cheaper often
so it's actually saving the fact that
they kept those plants online is
actually saving
um the ratepayers funding in Illinois so
I think you know it's one of those
things that they call it the fuel
certified Edge
it's not a
it's not a volatile resource especially
in having the markets
yeah just to build on that outside our
conference last week where to represent
the constellation so that cattle program
not been in place they'd be making more
money considered with their points today
than what they're looking to one of the
parents have done right
there would have been better off at it
not best but we have some fun yeah
it's so crowding I guess
yeah
um any other questions for Christine
all right well thank you Christine thank
you for carving out time I know it's
busy up there with Nea so I appreciate
you joining us
um and uh we'll we'll stay in touch I'm
sure
absolutely happy to anytime have a good
day
all right so thanks let's get back to
about the agenda
um so we're gonna get an update kind of
on the Virginia energy plan where that
stands
um
good morning
welcome to uh first uh recognize
deputy secretary
um
Jenkins
she introduced herself for uh
earlier
thank you for attending the
speaking
um we've been working with deputy
secretary Jenkins the last three to four
weeks of dealing with
secretary Merit
a very conversation as well as other
secretaries from the administration on
uh they have included feedback for the
Virginia energy plans
um and uh the administration recognized
that Virginia has a very attractive
electric energy rate and it's
competitive for business administratives
here groups in an Atlantic region
um
and furthermore
of administration feels strongly that
the energy policy will only works the
leads to the Diversified known
but I'm also
cheers
the administration rewards and energy
policy that enables uh loan energy
policy decisions based upon data metrics
uh so to that end
um our agency will procure
technical
Services of Consultants
to help us
with herbal analysis on developing
models
sensitive sensitivity analysis and
scenarios
evaluations uh
of existing energy policy as well as
opposed forward
so that would be all the things that
we would look at to uh
improve economic development in general
but
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ler as well as Public Training and
Cooling
system contractors
rates and
job creation
so this uh this energy power plan is due
October 1st
and that will be a starting point but we
will continue to do further analysis and
development of that plan throughout the
administration's turn
um and this will be a living document
that
seventh uncle or said um
not only for this Administration but for
future construction as well
so with that
um I'd like to ask if uh
deputy secretary Jameson still Arnold
and college he likes to have anything
great well thank you
um so I think there's a couple of points
I've wanted to summarize just so we know
so everybody on phone
um So the plan is due on October 1st
um Virginia energy
is the lead correct
um but it's engaging other agencies
correct uh and then you're
are you staying talked about
um some outside Consultants to do uh
kind of energy modeling Market
um maybe analysis a face of different
energy policies is that correct are they
are they engaged now or in to inform the
energy plan or is that just going to be
also just kind of an ongoing process it
will be a two-step approach
um there is a
uh I'm short-term
approach that uh
that will protect us that will that will
have the sold us work with us to produce
the energy plan that's due October 1st
um and that's a tabletop exercise on all
the existing uh analysis of the course
that's been done but clearly Define cost
benefits and give us guidance upon uh
the risk
to Economic Development and rate and
protection uh but then it will be an
ongoing continuing uh
the Consultants you are to further
refine and build models to help us have
lovers to adjust to the changing energy
Market
and
you also in new energy parts
I have a couple questions with Scottish
here now
um so I'm curious how you all are taking
the Cannabis foreign
may be more challenging but how do you
sustain whatever your policy is you know
going forward because regardless of
whatever comes out and you know who
analysis of God these aren't you know
short-term fixes you know in four years
some of these things would take longer
to nuclear in that case so every four
years we're not seeing a shift in policy
and sort of starting over again
regardless of what the choices are
others knew there was something else
even
yeah so uh our uh obviously our agency
is charged with coordination of all the
stakeholders we're gonna
stand up
so we are engaged by the same
what's your worrying about uh business
um so that's the intention of having uh
modeling and
data metrics
brilliant decision making place so that
this administration of YouTube
is there a
specific
so
let's take the decarbonization plan
process for certificate sums last year
um there were public meetings and like
can put up formal input opportunities
I'm trying to remember with the energy
plan is that the same for that or is
there is it more
I I guess is is that are there specific
input points like bird group like this
that would provide or is it or that we
should work with with April and and the
Virginia energy and maybe it's just a
discussion of what materials that are
already available what what do you need
what's the best point of entry I guess
is this process is now picking up slogan
yeah
uh I think um
it was a lack of organizations from the
last plan and that is one thing that
this Administration wants to write
child
this is as well
um
but until you know right about
RNA on the organization not sure what
that question is
there a couple of public meetings there
was a you know comment period deadline I
don't think there would be any energy
complaining is similar to that that's
not a public process Tom this is April I
just want to drop in on this in the past
when uh past governors had had have done
an energy plan and they have taken time
to do a public comment
um actually I think the last time the
governor did meetings across the state I
think the last two Governors did and
that's are you guys going to be able to
do meetings like that where we're able
to provide comments on
from our side on the energy plant
uh yes that's the intention uh although
it will
be a little bit different this time I
believe
the whole decision hasn't been made but
uh it is more likely that it will be a
form of less inversing
um meetings uh
and to provide a public
feedback and comments but um
foreign
although are you all I mean I'm focusing
on actually the how what energy and what
things to focus on but will you all be
looking at Workforce needs as well
yes thanks for bringing that up that's
uh that's a key element over there
okay
other other questions
okay well thank you for the update I
would
um right there you all already know this
I would
um just continue to stress as much as
April and folks on on this Authority can
help with that process
um please don't hesitate because you
know through Brandy and everybody else
Larry
um reach out just directly I think one
of the actions I took down April is we
should probably just try to set up maybe
some time with the with the Virginia
entertainment
um you know to to provide all the
different materials and things that have
been produced in the last four years
yeah I would love to take the time to
update on all of our activities so this
Administration is aware of what we've
been doing
um the last few years and the strides
we've made
yeah I would I would say that you know
we welcome that and we merged that and
um
you know obviously it will happen
but
um not concerned if it's not fully
divided by then because like I said it's
going to be a little document that we
will continue to make adjustments to you
and just the involving energy Market on
over the years so we want to have
if this card the thing relationship so
don't make it October first the deadline
to you know if you get to meet again you
know because I think it's important that
it's an ongoing
absolutely
foreign
yes so
um as everyone knows
um we were directed through the
legislation to develop a uh working
group for
um development of a small modular
reactor Advanced reactor Technologies
um we will be that working group is
going to be meeting in March and I'm
sorry July I'm sorry
um and uh from that meeting I plan to
have some objectives set and that um the
next Authority meeting I will have those
for you all to review
um and to provide input
also
um on the
Hub we are near final
um right now just working on getting a
couple more Partners
um but Hampton University has agreed to
partner with the Hub which is a big
success and um so we're just working on
a couple more but we should we will have
that finalized and I'll have uh Brandi
be have her email that out to everyone
as well I have everyone's um in changes
they've been made
um there'll be one more review and then
we'll submit it to the state
great
and uh April do you want to highlight a
couple of the speakers of the working
group I mean we've secured a couple that
will be very attractive well one of them
you just uh saw Christine will also be
reviewing at the at the working group to
review what other states are doing
probably a little bit more specific on
certain legislation and then uh Katie
half of the Department of energy
assistant secretary from nuclear energy
she will be speaking at our event
and I think representative of the world
will be kind of picking things off since
he was the eviction of the of the
legislation as well agreed yes
so like being able to correct me that um
folks that were their invitations have
gone out for that so most of the
um member organizations here probably
have a representative that was contacted
um so I'm attorney yes yes everybody
um invitations have gone out but the
last meeting I we if there was anybody
on the authority that wanted something
to have their have a person participate
in the in the working group just to let
me know I did have a couple
um there is you know we do have some
overlaps in places but
um I have a decent group but if still um
if someone is interested in joining the
working group please contact me and I'll
make sure to
um get get them on board
but all the companies in pretty much all
the companies in the room I believe have
someone representing them on the uh the
working group
any questions for April
okay
okay hi ganapati here I would be
interested in participating in this
group
Donna potty uh you contact me and uh and
we'll talk about that okay offline
um but as Tom mentioned earlier if you
guys are interested in joining you'll
just give me a call my email I believe
you have it
um just reach out to me
um I will tell you I'm going out of town
for a couple days um so if I'm a little
delayed emailing you back just know I
will get back to you soon okay all right
thank you thanks
of pain
great
um okay so next uh we have uh meeting
minutes we do have a forum I think I'm
sorry thank you Gary I don't think we
can have you vote virtually but I think
we have enough in the room
um uh these are set out sent out in
advance but if folks want to take a
couple minutes just to produce them
again entertain any corrections
foreign
it'd probably be better to say confirm
that the elite assistant Secretary of
the hypnot keep this final clear what
she was deferred to him yes
um so I also we need to her first name
is k-a-c-y as well
actually it's yeah so well yeah but I
think yeah
um so let's say after confirmed we put
here we assistant secretary yeah
suspense
secretary
or
their energy
after that
I can I can get you
any other
okay
um can I get a motion excuse to
approve as members okay Bill Briscoe
motion seconds
second
John Capps second
um all in favor
opposed
okay that's this
so we have uh any member updates for
news
um
I'll start there's a little bit of news
that uh appropriation process of the
federal
um level started kind of last night
um the house energy and water
Appropriations the committee uh
improve their bill which they always do
if there's some summary out there but
not a kind of details
um the full committee I believe is going
to be
Thursdays like late like 5 30. yeah I
can't think tomorrow late into the night
Thursday
um
so we'll probably see a few more details
I think uh
ultimately that this year 23 bills are
going to be funded into a critical after
the election most likely but I think the
through line at least from my studying
opinions
uh the office of nuclear energy and
nuclear energy issues in general are
continuing to see very strong funding
um from Congress uh the importance of
not only the National Security aspects
um I've been clear right now given
uh
activities around the world
um but also the energy reliability
clean energy aspects are continuing to
be recognized there's still a
significance in route Fuel and the front
end of the fuel cycle
um but there again a lot of continuous
interest in trying to solve that problem
and really jump start the domestic from
Phil single
I think those are the main things other
than I'm going to turn it overdone Scott
we already said they're around but
there's some pretty big units for bwsd
yeah the most most saw thank you very
much emails from so much yeah no we were
awarded the uh project Bay lightsaber
for the next space the Strategic
capability
not much more to say other than let's
say the press release
um well you know this is for us this is
purely virginia-based or other
competitors out there from other states
so from a Virginia state
a good thing
and again feel free to ask me questions
much more than what's released
I I don't just say because I could I can
editorialize I guess
um I just think it's really interesting
because this is you know Virginia we
talked a lot about uh commercial nuclear
a lot and
um you know the defense
nuclear energy peace has such a rich
history and the Commonwealth depends
um you know the Nuclear Navy I would say
it's pretty much born out of Virginia
um and now you know now we're looking at
other aspects of uh the defense
department and it's going to be clear in
the future which is really great the
best thing here in Virginia so yeah
that's a lot of public a lot of work to
do but it's it's really good
uh any other uh announcements of these
organizations want me to make
okay
um and then the last thing uh if we have
any of the asset inventories here again
um I think this is pretty well up to
date but if you have any changes what I
think I will recommend rather than just
entertaining those now is take a look
through this and send bring me any
updates so she can she can put those on
the on the website and make sure that
that maintains
changed me up today
okay so if there's no permanent comments
um
I think what we're going to look at in
terms of our next meeting will probably
be you know this fall I'll be there I
think Brandy talked about it last week
we'll send out another Google poll we'll
look at um you know maybe this September
October time frame if maybe best I think
to do it after the energy plan comes out
so maybe later we can have someone brief
us on that um but we'll we'll look at
that but that may be a little bit better
Tom the only thing I would ask is that
when you're thinking about dates it it
would I know what you're talking about
the energy plan but September may be
better because if we need to get a
letter to the state regarding the energy
plan and also to discuss the objectives
from the working group yeah that's
that's a good point April
um okay I'll talk to Brandon we're going
to do a pull out to try to look at what
the best option is that yeah everybody
needs to have something going on that's
a good point
thank you
okay any other
so before we wrap we will open it up for
public comment America I think I'll ask
if there's any on the are there any uh
members of the public I did see there
was a question
um from Garland did we get that standard
on the Senate Bill okay
um is there anyone else on the phone
that would like to make any public
comments if you could hit the raise your
hand
pardon me
okay I'm not I'm not seeing any so
um
and I volunteered with Virginia Sierra
Club I've been following this groups in
the conception I've also uh was part of
the
it was supposed to live a band on the
brand new line here in Virginia it was
one of the many thousands of Virginians
who want to keep our van on the brain
mining so I wanted to start off with
that being the front end of uh this
morning does deal with like the uranium
um and uh we don't want to hear it it's
it's the detox it could be bad or water
but Community wet environment for
Virginia
um so I'm pretty sure that Virginians
are going to want to stick to that
um so besides that I'm going to say that
first of all
um I have been starting out these
meetings recently uh listing the
earthquakes under the cat and then five
uh starting on
520 that went through
the
30th we've had five all near North
Vienna
and again I've always mentioned this
it's in the Virginia seismic Zone I do
believe that we are
we don't know all the faults out there
our 2011 earthquake it was one of the
largest felt one of these from Seaboard
the shared the police if you see where I
was previously unidentified fall there's
many and we know that they work together
in King Junction so you know continuing
to run to Montana
at uh in Louisiana on a no-fault line
that has to do for however many years so
they say
um is dangerous
and so I wouldn't start off with that so
um we'll continue to have earthquakes
is Virginia seismic zone so
this group in this industry will be held
accountable under a standstill it's
something happen eventually
I just don't know and I also want to
mentioned that um I followed the
um the way to treat the heat Waste Water
treatment system that they have for more
than
and I'm glad to see it online uh they
have posted like a
I guess like a little farb saying to the
public that they could uh they could go
to The Virginian Health Department
through the site it mentions how hot the
water gets and that it increases the
bacteria and the microbes
um of the water which it does because
you're looking at a temperature of
losing more than 14 degrees sometimes
going a lot higher than that in the
water so it is the health risk and so I
think the public action should be made
even more aware of that when they're
doing recreational things
um I still believe like beloved a lot of
other people
um that are innocent groups the
environmental groups that the Earth and
dammed at northanna definitely should be
watched and made sure it's secure
because when your Dana is in full
operation there's two million gallons of
water to pass through that station per
minute
again if there's a problem with the
water we're going to be in serious alone
but I think that's uh something that
really needs to be continually washed
um
and I'm going to mention this again I
mentioned it last time
is the public deserves to know what
exactly was falsified by the previous
NRC inspector a resonance Vector uh Mr
Cruz
um he pleaded guilty and yet still there
is no information that can be found on
uh you know when a sentence was either
so but you know we'd like to know what
was lost about I think it's important
that we know what this lawsuit by not
just an angry boss and bottom
um
you know I I think the the bigger part
of this since the industry wants to
Brand itself is clean and green
the only thing I can see that's really
bring about this industry is to bring
backs are needed to move forward with
this fund used unknown
uh
SMR
microsmrs or photographer and footage
um I mean I think the NRC
um should move forward with a few years
ago they said they were going to do
health studies around the current and
power plants around the United States
then with a little thought they
rescinded
maybe it's because it's a known fact
that all nuclear reactors
we would release radioactive influence
gases
liquids Etc on a routine basis
as low as reasonably achievable
and that hasn't changed
this industry hasn't gotten better at
of releasing less of what they do right
now
and so there shouldn't be any new
reactors at all even moving forward
unless we can see what we got going in
I wouldn't doubt that there's problems
and there's issues
and the main thing is to make matters
are worse I followed this stuff as a
hobby
and um I read a lot of documents I've
gone to a lot of NRC meetings I was part
of the base confidence which actually I
have none because we don't know what to
do with the stuff but y'all want to keep
creative
what's worse is the NRC can't even keep
up on their own data
they don't release the data to the
public on time
uh prime example is a radioactive
influence reports to come out of its
reactor
2021 still hasn't posted
six months in every year it's long for
longer longer so as a public we can't
see if there's trading and leaking if
the local vegetation has been sampled it
was at least three or 40 Years of a few
years ago
the dentist said oh we couldn't collect
any samples so those samples are there
although the farmer didn't deal to see
any samples oh you know whatever
signs and excuses that we don't even
know what's exactly accumulating in our
environment around this house
it's unacceptable
um
this industry has not addressed
environmental and health issues
regarding new food
um
there's the waste issue there's no
solution
securing the waste that y'all already
creating I mean we can see what's
happening right now in the Ukraine one
of the biggest dilemmas is their 15th
environment
actors
um
you know without weight sitting out in
the opening I mean in this canister but
we don't even know how interesting but
really that's
so
this group and Industry really needs to
really focus on what we have in securing
what we have
instead of always the pain is tied we're
doing new new what we're getting too new
when we need more money for new
as what we have now is kind of like
teacher reading
and you know the prime example I wanted
to give
you know on Dominion in particular a few
years ago yeah of course always the Rob
Rod care leader for this in his five six
per year to come down to the general
cinnamon
now you will list the assets because you
don't list you know big issues that were
on hand that need to address
you might be able to change out some
parts and you can't change out from
after vessels so you know when the elite
made
can't be changed and and y'all don't
even have the samples anymore that go
around the Beltline so I'm playing like
um
changing what you have or clicking news
is that is that not the same
Neutron bombardment is real the cracks
it will build the patients are real and
um I don't want an accident here
you know I was raised here my parents
had raised here my grandparents raised
here
you know um
and y'all got all one of the fault line
and then Virginia sized instead
that's the problem but that's just for
me and I'll wrap it up here because I
think this is important when Virginians
especially opening it up to the public
to know where this energy policy is
going to go for us in Virginia we're
going to pay for this right papers
32 years ago 2016 and in Germany was
talking about two North hand at three
and they had already started two and all
the Maneuvers and the bearing nested 600
billion you know basically they went
back to the general assembly
and they hit the right pairs up they
they bought themselves out in some
legislation that repaid them but you
know basically be paid for it had they
gone forward with this giant disaster
the reactor it would have been the most
expensive reactor ever built
thank God we didn't do it
you know so the public at large needs to
be part of this conversation and and not
just I'm keeping people making the
decisions you know how many of the
public next to go down to the general
assembly and speak on some musician most
people can't they tell you just a day or
two ahead of time when it's going to
come up so most public doesn't need to
have a chance to even have your voice
so yes it does need to be open to the
public
about the whole thing because nuclear
energy is not emissions-free that is not
true
it releases radioactive influence on a
routine basis and it's not CO2 degree
the whole new repeal chain from the
mining of your ranking and process the
eternity making the rods Transportation
all of this stuff to develop into
forever storage the mechanisters and
everything it's not
I'd like to see some third-party not
related to this industry we've actually
start doing some of these real in-depth
reports because what I've seen
it's not true it's on the expensive
dangerous and creative ways is the most
toxic waste known to mankind it'll need
to be secured per million years
they can't just talk until openly now
another time to that level
and two for today and everybody in this
industry make money
and then the public and after future
Generations be stuck
it's going to be in better canisters
and monitoring we need to monitor what
we have because we're not
thank you
thank you uh any other comments
okay
um I think what that said
we are adjourned thanks everybody for
joining us