ready you go Steve here ready you
go good morning
everyone hello usually I'm saying good
afternoon but this one's a good morning
this is a this is almost the historical
Board of Supervisors meeting here on
Saturday morning now
so uh like to say good morning to
everyone welcome to the Russell County
Board of Supervisors February 3rd 2024
at 900 a.m. I'd like to first start off
with a uh call of order and roll call
Andrew
Hensley Lan Wallace Luan her husband's
mother passed
away and she was not able to attend she
sends her
apologies terod die here David Eaton
here Rebecca D here Nate
Kaiser here and Steve breeding here
chairman you have a quarum all right
thank you first item on the agenda is
invocation Caleb would you do the honors
please let us pray father God lord we
love you we thank you and we praise you
today Father father we thank you for
allowing us to be a part of our local
government we ask that you forgive us
for where we fail you each and every day
thank you for allowing us to come out
and be safe this morning lead guide and
direct us in everything that we do in
your name we pray amen
amen Al to the flag of the United States
of America and to the Republic for which
it stands one nation under God
indivisible with liberty and justice for
all
next item on our agenda is the approval
of the agenda itself do I have any
motions to amend the agenda yes uh Mr
chairman I'd like to amend the agenda
for board
appointment uh on the uh under number
three for the
DSs
okay
committee appointments and board
consideration
yes they have a second on motion second
okay any
discussion all in favor of this motion
signify the saying I I all oppose like
sign
okay motion it is
amended okay next item under new
businesses approval of the minutes for
first uh the unapproved minutes for
January the 2nd
2024 if you've had an opportunity to
look at those or if there are any
changes need to be made yeah Mr chair
under e um where if you go kind of down
there um it was where I nominated Andrew
um for the Cumberland Plateau it says
that I was actually appointed so it was
just a topo okay could you make that
correction Mr
Lester yes yes chairman any other any
other changes need to be made yes sir on
the January 31st 2024 since we just got
back late last night from the
legislation uh I'll have to present the
minutes at the next board meeting for
the January 3 we'll defer those to the
next yes
sir okay
if everybody's had an opportunity to
look at it I'll accept a motion to
approve these January 2nd 2024
minutes motion made to approve I'll
second it have a motion and a second any
discussion if not all in favor signify
by saying I I'll poose like sign
they next item under the agenda is the
approval of
expenditures I hope everybody's had an
opportunity look over those and we need
a motion to approve those I'll make a
motion to pay the bills have a motion
and second from Mr Hensley any
discussion if not all in favor signify
by saying I I I'll oppose like sign
there are none
okay next we come down to the committee
appointments on for board consideration
on the fitti the fny community center
and I think it's yours Mr D
it is and I'd like to go ahead and
reappoint Mr David kton and Mr Edward
tiller I'll
second okay I have a motion to reappoint
both these gentlemen uh any further
discussion all in favor signify by
saying I I I I'll oppose like sign there
are
n uh since I added this to the uh board
appointments for the DSs I'd like to
make a motion to remove Jennifer Chumley
from the DSs and then I have uh we'll go
with two different motions but I'd like
to act on that one first and then an
appointment I have a motion to have a
second
second have a motion and a second any
discussion if not all in favor of this
motion signify thean I I all
opposed opposition
Rebecca and I would like to Appo Sharon
Owens in that
position okay second have a motion to an
a second on the appointment of Sharon
Owens to fill that
spot any discussion if not all in favor
seeif I saying I I I'll oppose like
say
okay now we have uh a couple that we
bypassed last time the spearhead Trails
Trail
Blazers does anybody have any
appointments for those particular
boards uh Mr chairman um before we
appoint this uh on any additional
appointments I think Mr Kaiser had a
um uh a statement to make on on board
appointments well I think it's a little
bit for later but we can go ahead and
discuss it now but um what we'd like to
see is for all SE current sitting board
members or uh commission appointees to
resubmit uh their
applications and uh anyone in the public
who's interested on serving on board or
commission to please submit their
applications because we're going to do a
full review and restructure of of all
the boards and commissions in Russell
County thank
you okay do you want to put that in the
form of a motion Mr Kaiser we'll make
that a motion just made that motion okay
I just want to make sure I'll second it
have a motion and a second to by pass
the rest of these appointments uh
pending a review and submitt of new
applications for all those slots okay
any discussion if not all in favor
signify the saying I I all opposed it's
unanimous do
this okay right we still down to we're
down now to the Cumberland industrial
facility Authority and we're we had Mr
Tony Dody was on that and has submitted
his letter of resignation so we need to
uh appoint somebody to fill that
slot I hear a nomination I'd like to
nominate David
Eaton I'll second okay any further
nominations any
discussion if not all in favor signify
by saying I I I'll oppos like sign there
aren't
in
on the second appointment I'd like to
nominate Steve
breedy since he is the chairman of the
board and that has been stated in our
board uh before that it was critical
that the chairman serve in that
capacity okay I'll second have a motion
second any further discussion if not all
in favor signify by saying I I I'll
oppose like sign
there
are okay now down to Citizens comment
period okay we just remind you that we
Caleb is going to bring a list up here
and we'll try to go down the list by
order of
signature and when you get to the podium
please state your name loudly and uh
your address please even though we have
it listed here there might be some
people are going to speak later on that
we'll need that okay we need to you need
to understand you have 3 minutes to make
your point we've got several people here
and I'm sure there's other people that
would like to speak as well so let's
let's get on this and we'll try to Mr
Lester is going to run the clock over
here and he'll let you know when your
three minutes is there
so Tommy
Garrett Tammy Garrett
sorryy pardon
mey does doesn't matter come on
Amy name is Amy Branson I live in the
flats in Castlewood as a board member
you're elected to represent the people
regardless of your personal beliefs and
opinions the increase in participation
at the Board of Supervisors meetings and
the informational meeting despite being
held at 5:00 pm on a work day show that
the citizens oppose this landfill
there's an 1100 member Facebook group
that oppose it Steve Dave have you all
tried to sell this as a recycling center
but I didn't hear one thing about a
recycling center on Monday's
meeting Steve you said the room wasn't
even half full how would you know you
weren't there you said that many people
came out of the meeting feeling good
about the project I didn't and I know a
lot of us didn't either did any of us
leave the meeting feeling good about
this
project I spoke with the Russell County
reclamations Clyde Stacy on Monday after
the meeting Mr Stacy was quoted in the
newspaper as saying the landfill would
be 30 Acres with the possibility for
expansion but he told told me it would
be 100 acres already the inconsistencies
continue I would like to read a quote
from a news article in the Washington
Post from November of 1998 which speaks
about the King George Landfield was was
also mentioned by Mr Hawk as one of his
successful projects at Monday's meeting
if trash is such a great deal why aren't
other states clamoring to import it
asked Conway Moy 49 a federal worker
from King George County we just weren't
sophisticated enough to realize we were
being taken as fools
if the host agreement we've seen is in
any way close to the final agreement
which it's been refused to be shared I
have serious reservations about the
County's competency NE to negotiate on
our
behalf since Mr Kilgore already
represents Russell County reclamations
Clyde Stacy and other legal matters I
think it would be a conflict of interest
for him to be involved in negotiating
the host agreement on behalf of our
County if you vote Yes on this Landfield
then expect us the citizens to vote you
out if you vote no whatever the
repercussions are we the citizens will
stand by your decision Nate and Tara I
know prior to getting elected you said
during your original public meeting that
we had that you would stand against the
landfill and I hope you're true to your
word so Steve Dave I'm going to turn my
back on you the way you've turned your
back on the citizens of this
County so dear fellow citizens please
keep coming out to these meetings would
you please speak into the
microphone we can't we can't record your
comments this is our home our health and
our lives we're fighting for and we are
stronger
together thank you Miss Branson now now
Tammy Tammy Garrett
okay Tammy Garrett 336 Russell Street
Leon
Virginia we listen to Mr matney and his
door-to-door Landfield salesman Mr Hawk
we felt Mr Hawk was condescending and
dismissive of our concerns
just because we cannot have an Amazon
distribution center or a tractor supply
does not mean we have to accept a
landfill by the way who says that one
day we can't have those businesses Mr
matney and his company have had the ear
of the board and the county officials
for years now in some cases such as Mr
Terry Kilgore the board attorney Mr
matney has had more than an ear Mr
matney has donated 49
,500 to Mr Kilgore while this may not be
illegal it is certainly
unethical during the six minutes I have
had over the past two months to speak to
the board I have presented peer reviewed
research from impeccable sources such as
the NIH and the EPA that clearly stated
the many dangers of landfills and that
the risks far outweigh the benefit
I do not recall a single board member
even taking a
note the board has the power to say no
to this landfill we are asking the board
for a referendum vote on this issue so
that Mr breeding and all of the board
and all the board members can hear from
the 26,000 residents of this County who
are opposed to this Landfield but wait
that number would be smaller wouldn't it
because some of the 26,000 residents or
children who cannot vote but their lives
will be negatively impacted by this
landfill do you as board members want to
be responsible for 1,50 or more oozing
Acres of stinking leaking dangerous
trash that will remain in our soil for
eternity causing known and unknown
hazards because once it is done
it cannot be
undone do you Andrew Hensley do you
terod do you David Eaton do you Rebecca
D do you Nathan Kaiser want to be
responsible when you lie down every
night and say your prayers and get up in
the morning and face this community
knowing you sold out our land our air
our water our health our children for
the almighty Dollar in exchange for an
eternal mountain of
trash M M M Garren if you have
information to submit to us I do please
submit it in a written
form right and it's several different
sources I
haveed sure only
have
you I do want you to read it you give it
Mr Lester
please Dana
Tucker
hi my name is Dana Tucker I'm from
hakre and I'm my positive but I think
you guys got a supply of place big
enough for everybody to meet because I
don't think this is going to be the
smallest amount you going to see here in
the future and you got to give us place
to come in and sit down I don't know why
you're doing this landfill thing
everybody up here is opposed to it
nobody wants it nobody even know about
it and you just try to sneak it in under
the carp
and I just don't understand why these
are your neighbors y'all went to school
with these people your daddies went to
school with each
other I'm an
outsider I'm just looking on the outside
looking
in but I know you can give your
opinion on whether you support this or
not as board members your chairman did
it he went on a public podcast a month
before the noise
ordi erroneous misinformation to the
public had absolutely no idea what he
was talking
about and this is not the individual I
want to
trust because he had no knowledge of
that I don't think he has any knowledge
of this at
all and like my sister did I'm going to
turn my back on the ones that want
anything to do with this I'll support
the citizens of Russell County that
don't want this in your community
Ben
price uh Benjamin price 510 Dylan Street
Cedar Bluff Lonzo you want to reset the
clock yeah so the will of the people the
absolute undeniable will of the people
you're given the privilege to govern by
the consent of the government I'm sorry
Steve there's not 26,000 people here it
does appear we're a few short uh for
example my son in addition to being
absent is unable to articulate his
thoughts because he's twoo but it dawned
on me that I have to trust you all the
same way that my son has to trust me our
vulnerabilities as Citizens parallels
that of small children for example my
son is vulnerable to my actions or
potentially irresponsible Behavior he's
smaller than me and weaker than me
he has no power over me I drive if I
drive too fast text and drive he doesn't
have a choice he's along for the ride
I'm here advocating on his behalf and on
behalf of anybody else you want to say
the absolute will of the
people if you were willing to measure
the will of the people you would
recognize how volatile the situation is
that is sitting in your lap the
potential to affect this region for the
rest of Eternity realize that you have
reached the appropriate limit of your
power and start questioning your own
authority and put this on a referendum
for a vote the overwhelming majority of
register voters in the localities which
elected each of you to sit on this very
board that can stop this do not want
this you all are intelligent people I
know that most of you realize that you
will be replaced as soon as possible if
you vote Yes on anything that makes it
possible for this to come into our
community what I don't understand is why
don't seem to care so I challenge each
of you all to vote to put this on a
referendum obviously you're not bound by
it but it gives us a choice and a chance
to go on the record as saying no give us
at least
that 26,000 is a
joke because when this landfill fails
and if for example a train derails along
the route to a destination deep in
Appalachia that it never should have
been headed to in the first place it's
going to affect me Millions not
26,000 we'll be the laughing stock it'll
be our fault your fault who cares about
26,000 I cannot guarantee that this
landfill will cause us harm and you
cannot guarantee that it won't the risk
is great and entirely
unacceptable I pray that God will guide
you open your hearts to hear and feel
our pleas may God have mercy on each of
you Russell County all of Southwest
Virginia and wherever the unknown depths
of hell this controversial Community
dividing land may go thank
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you Roy
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mabery hry
breed
Emory
breeding not
here Shan Vance
Jr
uh I can't read the first name it's
Dickinson 980 herold's Valley
Road Betty is it
Betty I'm Betty Dickinson 1880 hurs
Valley Road
Castlewood all evidence tells us that
landfills eventually prove detrimental
to the health and well-being of the
environment and the people living near
them this is why historically they're
located in low populated lowincome areas
with few resources to fight against
their
creation it's an insult that Russell
County is now faced with the prospect of
a large privately owned landfill
here this past Monday night the
spokesman for the millionaire land
owners of the site at clinchfield
assured us that this Landfield will be
monitored for 30 years they think that
number should comfort us we have long
memories 30 years there's families in
this County that have called the same
land home for centuries 30 years is
nothing to us I expected to pass on my
Virginia Century Farm which has been in
the Dickson family for much longer than
a hundred years to my children and
grandchildren I'm now faced with the
need to have a backup plan to sell it at
lowered property values and move away
for the health and safety of my family
I'm not alone in this many will leave
wrestle County this come to
pass hosting a large private landfill
that brings in many tons of refuges
daily by roadways and railways from
various points in the United States does
not make Russell County
attractive if you choose to allow this
landfill then shame on you and the
previous board that will be your
legacy whether this Landfield is built
is up to you that was stated clearly by
Mr matney Monday night you have that
power your vote against this flamefield
will stop it if you ignore the will of
the people people who elected you to
your position by voting yay and allow
this lfi then we the people will
actively work to see that by our efforts
and with our votes you lose your seat on
this board and are unsuccessful in any
other political position that you may
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seek next is Timothy M mcclanan or
Mallen or mcclanan okay mlan 188 s
Drive every one of y'all knows what's
down there every one of
you you don't I've HED trash everywhere
and everywhere I H it they don't want it
pick at
you I mean and y'all going to put it
down there on a
refuge you can put a pipeline in the
ground three years later you you go back
there it ain't in the same spot and
that's not
Refuge it's going to move I don't care
what kind of liner you put in it it's
going to
leak you're I mean y'all are our
officials we look for you to say
no
so T die you're you're my supervisor
what do you
say we're this is not a question and
answer I wasn't telling to
you with with their bylaws I'm not
allowed to answer but well let me but
you you you know what you were voted in
right listen you cannot you're not going
to antagonize listen when
Miss okay when we get done I'll be glad
to talk with you we are in the process
of changing well if you just listen to
me I mean that's quite rude but but
we're we are wanting to change our
bylaws so that we can have
this listen listen no listen we're going
to stop all this and we're going to
continue okay we're going to continue on
with public comment okay next person is
Kurt
saers
car from carbo and
uh I heard one person say that he didn't
know why that this Landfield was even
being considered well I know why it's
being
considered and there was the most
legitimate question that was asked
Monday
night the fell wouldn't answer it said
it didn't deserve an answer the question
he asked he ask in a pretty rough way he
wanted to know what kind of mon monetary
funds handed under the table or whatever
you all had received to get your
vote I read an email out there I don't
know Mr Breeden said he had no idea of
anybody in the
county
this I oppose
it I never said that you're I've got it
on my phone you all claimed it took down
you I took it down I did not take it
down I've got every word
verbatim okay now we're going to keep
quiet no comments from the audience
we'll have them removed you know we can
we can do this so you go ahead sir
before I run time I want to make you an
offer I'm sure all of you have got a lot
more money than I do if you think think
this is a good idea buy my place over in
carbo buy it at the cess value I'll sell
it to you
today Monday night I didn't they said
there was two onions there I don't know
the rest of you should have been there
someone said everybody come out happy
and well informed I didn't come out
happy and I didn't come out what I came
out with I heard two truths told Monday
night I heard a whole lot of half lies
and half truths the first truth I heard
may have been a truth you all tell me Mr
matney said that he' been working with
the Board of Supervisors and the Ida for
six to eight
years to get this
done second truth I heard was what
someone else already brought
up this area was picked because of low
income and low
population for a group of people that
didn't have the money to fight
it that fell told a whole lot of lies
and half lies this is some of the things
I've
read he said that
landfills make a natural habitat for our
Wildlife this is what the studies say
landfills destroy natural
habitats one of the most devastating
products is Lech termed garbage
juice can seep through cracks and tear
slowly degrading the water quality of
the region and their harmful products of
landfills is greenhouse gas emissions he
talked about the methane being emitted
by the Gob over there
landfills methane what are they going to
do with
it these emissions create and thrown off
by bacteria breaking down the waste
contribute to global warming climate
change we hear about that on the news
every day and we're just contributed to
it if we do
this they say land these liners last
forever
I've seen a lot of plastic I'm I've seen
tars that are probably I'm sorry sir
your time time is up let's give him
another minute I interrupted him give
him another 30 second all
right sir this is some of the things
that we get from the landfills
males the landfill odors can travel for
Miles contaminated water the leate which
they had no answer for where this was
going to be processed
where's the sewage treatments that are
going to process it and if they do
process it be reminded that this water
is going back either into your rivers or
into your
kitchen for our quality land values
suffer that's why I'd like to sell you
my property today because I know that
the value of my house is going to go
down if it hasn't
already the stench the health
risk Southwest
Virginia has one of the highest cancer
rates not only in Virginia but probably
in the nation we have the worst Health
Care here if you're concerned about uh
the people why not get better health
care the the one other thing that I
wanted to mention
is I've done lost a brother to
cancer my oldest daughter has went
through
cancer and two of my neighbors have
cancer it's a terrible
thing if you all vote for this you're
voting against the lives of my children
I'm 75 years old and whatever cancer
comes my way I'll deal with sure yet
finish it I don't want to see my
children have I don't want to see
another one of my children go through
cancer it's a terrible thing I thank you
and thank you sir I ask you to vote
no
amen is it Charles King or Charles ring
Jr King
okay r King Jr I'm from uh 6961 Mountain
Road Belfast
Community uh I'm gonna speak to
something I've heard nobody else speak
to here which is whatever goes in on
this site and it might not be a dump it
might be something else
come that the citizens of Russell County
don't end up
responsible for having to pay for
anything if it goes
wrong it's a number thing with
me and uh I'm gonna leave it at
that thank you
sir Josh
Burgess
pur7 Cleveland
Road that's Cleveland Virginia Russell
County
Virginia not only that it's Southwest
Virginia and what is the greatest asset
of Russell County what is it it's the
people the greatest asset of Russ
county has are the people if we all left
Russell County today what would happen
there would be no Russell
County what would happen if our local
government went absent for a month the
good people of this County would make
sure this County kept moving we would
not turn their back on you we would go
forward the way it should
be and don't forget about the people
please and I understand Russ County
Board of Supervisors are holding a host
agreement with Russell County
Reclamation there is a projected
income written in there for Russell
County how could anyone calculate those
numbers with no customer list no
commitments no review on a rail study
is this all based on a business
plan how many of you have ever seen a
business plan fell on paper never it
won't
happen so this host agreement is nothing
more but a blank sheet of
paper it has no
value for this proposed Mega
lanfield
I'm out of order I don't get get on
paper okay how much of the
population will Russell County
lose how much of a decline in population
does it take before we start losing our
Walmarts our financial
institutions our Hardware stores our mom
and pop shops our restaurants and our
grocery
stores will Russell County see a rise in
medical treatment facilities due to the
toxic environment the landfill will
produce and you seems like we don't know
for sure but it feels like the county is
short on Revenue I don't know we don't I
try to study the budget I can't make any
sense out of it
I know our focus is trash and our
teachers why could we
not put in a tax that is dedicated to
our teachers and dedicated to our
trash I would be happy to pay that I
can't speak for everybody but we don't
need to set it up as a whole to where
the county can absorb These funds I
would say dedicate a tax to our teachers
and to our trash if we have a problem
with it and it is a blessing to send our
trash to
bluntville we have got to protect this
place because
eventually the country will become toxic
right time up
Sir Tony
Smith i w going to come back like I told
you but my
sister told me I need to tell you who I
am my name's Tony Smith 57 Two Egg Farm
Road I'm the nephew of a war hero
fourstar General the Japanese Nation you
may hear to them they signed over the
Philippines my uncle and another Uncle I
was named after Lou Lee way these are my
biological
people
yeah the law industry was changed you
probably studied him in school you
probably know who Louis Lee Gideon
versus way
R well now then we had all kinds of
prison wardens and all like that and
then uh latest I can say was my cousin
was a star pitcher for the St Louis
Cardinals Adam way but the best one I'm
the most proud of what I'm most proud
of is my grandfather Smith Boward Smith
he dust was bad like I said I stand in
front of my hands he come before a board
like
this man a dust over there went for the
judicial system no no no no they a no
dust over there but just like Louie who
went to the Supreme Court and
lost my grandfather
won because he was for the people and
I'm for the people ain't against none of
y'all but Lord have mercy TR us out I
have to look at it I me I'm looking down
on this trash dump I'm looking down on
it but that's a history history of me
and I mean I can go
somewhere I stayed in my uncle's uh when
I go down to Florida I stay in his
million and a half dollar $1.7 million
do guest house got live entertainment I
enjoy that but everybody here can't get
away from his
trash and what does $50,000 get you I
wonder you know in that situation but
here I've got a piece of paper here and
two
2009 where you going to put this dump
water around it was the 10th worst in
the
nation 10th in the nation and you're
going to put this in
there some ponds 16t deep 100 by 100
just with rain from the sky a little bit
of runoff water they filled up in two
months that's two ponds now so you can
say one Pond fild up how long you think
if no leakage coming out what you think
that water is going to go that goes into
the tric dump look at it
logically there no way around it you
can't beat it it it's true it's going to
happen the water is going to fill in
there and it's going to saep
over I don't know it's unbelievable me
this is the fifth
time we've been mustard gas we've been
I'll be done quickly mustard gas we've
been power plant Ed we've been
preparation planted we've been mountain
olived and now we're getting ready to be
trash dumped again so when is Cleveland
are we the Palestines of Russell
County yes fourstar
General all
right Christine
claudell he's he's bringing a new
microphone up there for
you
okay is it
ready Christina Cil and I live at 140
Fletcher driving
Castlewood if the Board of Supervisors
want to save face with the community at
this point I do strongly suggest forming
a committee of Russell County Citizens
that can review and help revise parts of
the host agreements due to the
statistics of landfill disasters across
the country we are all concerned at the
potential effects that a loan should I
mean that the potential effects that
it's going to have on us we rely heavily
on agriculture you know that should be
taken into consideration geologically
speaking this specific site does pose a
threat to all of russle County and it's
going to leak into Wise County as well
um the men that have worked in those
minds they know what is under that
mountain they know of the Natural
Springs I myself have firsthand
knowledge of that growing up on that
mountain
um and bringing in an outside source to
convince us of anything different is
just a slap in the face you know um our
Representatives have a duty to listen to
our logical concerns and let us have a
voice as our Representatives you have a
duty to protect our environment and
preserve our health and livelihood
especially for our children and our
children is an investment I have yet to
see from this
County what was your name again
Christina
Cel if you would like my ma name it was
Kaiser
Denver
Ray Denver
Ray oh there you are I'm sorry on
brother my name is Denver Ray it's 107
Co Lane Cleveland Virginia but I live in
the heart of South South clanville I
live on the hill where I and Overlook
all of
this back in
1971 we started a landfill at ker field
at
cargo
well seems like everything that we've
ever tried to do to stop
leakages it hasn't
work as a matter of fact the garbage
dump is still leaking
you can prove that by lots of luster it
runs out in the
ditch there out at the front of the the
old
trash and
clinchfield found out about all this and
they made them move the dump and they
moved it down on
71 getting back to the story
on the big slate dump there's three
graveyards and possibly one inded
graveyard there is two graveyards where
you turn in at kaer Ballfield the old
kaer
Ballfield
and the leakage has to
come out into the road all the way from
there now under
the tra the the Slate dump itself The
Refuge there is probably a four or a six
foot pipe runs Plumb to the head of the
holler and at every holler that Springs
off there is a hole in that pipe so the
drainage can come out of that pipe and
come
out
well if you put a Landfield up
there somewh along
line that water is going to leak out and
it's going to go down through that and
it's going to come out of those pipes
and it's going to come out in shining
Creek which dumps into the dumps Creek
which dumps into the
river I mean there's there's no way that
you could stop it because water is going
to run
regardless it's like when they they they
close Moss to and uh up there they went
in there and redone all that and all
that water that was in MOS too runs out
over in Wilder into the creek so that
tells you water can go through just
about anything if it has
to and I want to thank you all and
nevertheless there is Indian graveyards
all over that place and also at the cold
Springs between
carbo and clanville there was an Old
Fort and it was called dumps Creek
Trading
Post and that's one reference that we
can't Overlook that we got some
historical places that don't need to be
destroyed thank you sir and I thank
thank
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sir Jared
ring
before I begin I have
a Jared ring Castlewood Virginia it's
been repeatedly said that Modern
Landfill liners don't
leak that is demonstrably untrue the
packet I just gave the board contains
details of a federal study conducted by
the EPA that study found that even under
the best circumstances all landfills
leak the GM CCL top proposed for the
Moss 3 R landfill ran middle of the pack
on leakage rates how many gallons of
leech a ending up in the clinch is
acceptable if any member of this board
believes that any number other than zero
is acceptable I would encourage you to
resign our own chairman has implied with
correspondence with the public that
modern landfills are the safest way to
store waste and that's why he supports
this
one but I must encourage you all to
question when you hear any information
about this landfill does this person
have reason to mislead or lie to me
madne and Hawk certainly do they stand
to profit from
it please look into this yourselves and
don't just accept what you're told about
the land landfill by people who have
reason to lie everything I just gave you
is directly from the EPA there are no
words of mine in it their website is a
great place to start looking into
landfills yourselves free from bias from
us or Mr
matne hosting a regional Landfill to
save money on disposal is like shooting
yourself in the foot to save money on
shoes it it is a simple matter of risk
versus reward the risk of damage to the
local economy as a whole is not worth
the benefit we might receive from what
amounts to a single business the whole
local economy for a single
business matney's not going to walk away
from his other Investments and projects
simply because you told him no on one
proposal who wants to put a cement plant
right beside a landfill anyway jobs are
good but not when they're literally
garbage Hawk also admitted to me that
there is nothing stopping them from
expanding beyond the original 30
Acres he told me that on Monday's
meeting that they can expand again
propose another expansion whenever
they'd like so I'd like to ask each of
you to do the right thing for your
citizens and vote against any host
agreement put before
you Mr Hensley and Miss D were at the
meeting I thank you for that you saw how
the public feels about
this
but it's obvious to anybody that's been
watching this that the majority of the
public is against it and I would
encourage you all to just listen to the
public Russell County was getting along
just fine before this was proposed
relatively speaking uh and it it's all
right to just walk away from it more
opportunities will come but not if this
landfill goes
in thank you
R
sne where's
Rie Mr Mr Brading and board members Mr
Lester Mr Kilgore thank you for having
this meeting and listening to all the
good folks here from the county I'm
going to get right to it
um I I want to First say I appreciate
the job that uh Board of Supervisors has
to do it's obviously the most important
board in the county and I know it's a
lot it's tremendous amount of
responsibility I also know that you guys
are charged with the responsibility of
maintaining sovy for the county and for
trying to constantly create new revenues
and I know that's not an easy task we
just have to always keep working at
it I also understand that um basically
any property owner has the right to try
and develop their property that's just a
good thing in this County in this
country and I understand and appreciate
that I've been um trying to look at both
sides of this issue for months since I
first heard about uh you know what what
we might be looking
at I've talked to awful lot of smart
people a whole lot smarter than me and
I've learned a lot and I still don't
know much but I I've learned a lot more
than I knew
before and um I have to say that that I
uh have have
concluded that um due to concerns for
some of the things that's been mentioned
here today and also I just cannot
convince myself in my mind
that the Landfield is in the best long
term and I'm I'm talking 25 50 years
whatever uh interest of the county now
obviously if we run into a situation
where we don't have anywhere to take a
trash in a reasonable fashion obviously
we don't want everybody having a mile
high trash pile in their backyard you
know we got to we got to figure
something out my my I
guess answer to that is um the property
is going to be there I think probably
for a while uh and obviously if that
happens we've got to look at whatever
options we we can find available but I
want to I was I was taught uh by my dad
that when you're dealing with situation
issue or
a u project where there's some good
stuff in it but two sides just they're
button heads they can't they can't come
together I realize ultimately it's your
old's decision but I was taught to try
to figure out a way not to throw the
baby out with the bath water and for me
what I mean by that is um there's some
good stuff that's been mentioned by by
County officials and the property
owners that that pad is is a beautiful
232 acre pad that's a wonderful
opportunity to create jobs I believe we
can we can work on doing that uh in fact
I don't know if for the property owners
if this is a All or Nothing deal or it
might be some a something deal but I
would hope that they might still be
interested since they're still going to
own the property to help us um I think
they would have the ability to make
contacts with people might be interested
in doing something on that site uh they
mentioned in the Shell I find that
fascinating uh also uh Trails have been
mentioned and I'm I'm a huge advocate
for that it's my understanding and I'm
not saying this critically it's just my
understanding that there's only about 10
miles of trails in Russell County or
you're going to have to hurry finish it
okay and just think what would happen if
say for example we had the opportunity
either on her own or in some partnership
with property owners to develop two or
300 acres I understand some tra already
on there that you know you you could
kind of work with but certainly the
development cost would be handable and I
think I can't swear to this but I think
people like the spearhead Trails would
be interested in in working on that so
I'm just going to Simply um hush and say
that that I I would just respectfully
suggest that you folks look at that as
as an option and I appreciate you giving
me your time thank you or Matthew C
C is Matthew
Cassidy Matthew Cy uh Lebanon Virginia
um first off I will say that I'm against
this
landfill landfill isn't the answer
because we're not providing a good but
rather just becoming a storage of
unwanted material from other places that
have no concern or thought for this
County area or the people that live in
it I'll also say that I believe that
tourism is also not the answer and it is
an admission of defeat by the county
that this area can no longer provide
anything it would be turning our towns
into museums and putting us under glass
essentially stagnating becoming a bunch
of roadside attractions to let people
come and gulk at a hollow husk of what
once
was what we need we do need is industry
and that is clear industry bring brings
jobs not only that but it produces goods
that we can export and the production
and export of goods is what drives
growth and that's what we need for this
County and region as a whole is
growth there is a certainly resources
under the ground I've looked it up we've
got Iron Coal sulfur gypson mag
manganese and you know there's other
resources I didn't list and outside of
ground resources we also have abundance
of cattle as everybody
knows the board I believe needs to
expand their Horizons and be bold and
think outside the box of what can be
done possibly instead of constantly
trying to invite industry has constantly
been proven unreliable and unwilling to
help us and simply leech off of us as
you know you know the uh industrial site
over near Walmart full of
empty
projects I believe that we possibly
should create our own industry that has
roots in this area and interest in
seeing the area prosper and be built up
and expand outward instead of inviting
inward that's all thank
you Sherry
Patton Sher
Patton hello uh my name is Sher Patton
and I live in
hansonville and I don't have a whole lot
to add to what y'all have already heard
here today um I think it's pretty
obvious that there
is overwhelming opposition to this
landfill and I guess what I want to know
is at what point does the board take
into consideration the will of the
people y'all
represent rather than the few people who
are poised to financially benefit from
the landfill I'm not seeing anybody in
here who thinks that this is a great
idea and like many people have said
y'all represent us y'all are the ones
that are going to have to take the
repercussions if you vote for this
because then we will also vote the way
our hearts
feel um another gentleman in here said
that the greatest asset of Russell
County was its people which I agree with
I think the second greatest asset of
Russell County is the natural beauty
here I mean there are very few places in
the country and I have lived all over
this country there are very few places
in the country that put a candle to
Russell County and you know I just I
would love to see the board put its time
and energy into projects that will
increase the beauty of Russell County
and benefit the people who live here
thank you'all very much thank
you okay that's everybody on the
list I'm going to take a few more
people Michelle
Vance okay I'm I'm sorry I'm sorry is
George Campbell I am from Castlewood I'm
in lann District I'd just like to say
Lou if you're watching our prayers go
out to you and Bill I mean I I went to
school with Lou I know she's got a good
heart and uh I do feel for him I've been
a blessed man all my life and u
one thing I was blessed to see was the
top of that mountain before it was
touched I help clear the timber off that
for clinchfield Coal Company back in the
late 70s early 80s don't remember
exactly the year but something kept
bothering me about those two big ponds
up there and I asked the gentleman about
it he said oh there's no springs up
there well I know for a fact there is at
least two because I drank out of that
spring when I was clearing that Timber
back in those days what goes up must
come down what comes in must go out I
mean that water is filling up those
ponds and it's going to leak out of
there that's one thing also it's the
cemeteries in the area that's two
strikes where there was mentioned about
the earthquake faults there's one runs
right through the middle of there that's
three strikes I mean how many more plus
the people that's four strikes against
this I I'm firmly against it I don't
think anything good has ever came from a
landfill no matter how many tax dollars
the county gets we can come up with
something else we're smarter than that
let's let's leave it let's leave this
land for our children an old Indian
saying is you don't get Mother Earth
from your parents you you it's on loan
from your children and we need to stick
to that and that's that's what I've got
thank you
all thank you sir
Michelle
sh Vance willio Springs Drive um I'm
going to Pivot a little bit get off the
MOs 3 for a second here uh I am here and
I'm going to go to the Board of
Education meeting as well and tell them
this as well we recently just had a over
not even overwhelming snow but we had
some snow um I have seven grandchildren
here in Russell County who go to school
and they were out for almost two weeks
um I think that's a bit
much uh coming up here to speak because
I know that you all don't make the rules
for the Board of Education or anything
but as my representatives and mine
already knows because I've already
talked to
them I think you all should know and you
should all put some pressure on the
board of education as well there needs
to be some other kind of plan instead of
shutting down every single School in the
county I understand that some areas like
swords Creek and everything gets more
snow than what I do down in Moccasin or
you know things of that nature but I
know like here in Lebanon there was no
reason for them to be out of school I
have a special needs granddaughter um
who learning
virtually might as well forget about it
it's she just cannot learn that way she
has
dislexia and she's lost two weeks of
school
now
and there just has to be a different way
um I've already talked to one board me
member Mr Eaton I know he's here uh from
the Board of Education and I will speak
to the rest of him but I hope coming
here that you all will talk to everyone
on the board of education as well and
come up with a better plan for these
kids because there's no reason for them
to to miss that much school I mean we've
all heard it from our grandparents and
our parents I walked uphill both ways to
and from
School uh you know snow rain sleep Hell
whatever there's no reason that they
shouldn't have been in
school at least that last week uh that's
all I
have thank you
Michelle L
H ly H 137 Oakland Road Swords Creek
Virginia first of all I'd like to start
off with saying thank you David Eaton
for our Swords Creek Community Center uh
it has been a wonderful blessing to our
community and utiliz greatly I'd also
like to thank David Eaton Steve breeding
for standing all these years that we had
a different board for prolife uh
Sanctuary 2A keeping taxes low and in
generally just standing against the
Liber
libery of of people that wants to come
in and rough shot our government
and and keeping our County a
conservative County I'd also like to
encourage all the board that just got
elected to stick to your conservative
values that we voted you in for uh it's
very important that we stick to this as
far as the landfill I live on the other
end of the county I live up next in
Swords Creek uh near the Raven area but
I don't want a conventional landfill in
our County either uh I just think it
would be bad for our County I know that
this land was permit Ed for Refuge back
many years ago and there's not a whole
lot that Russell County Board can do
about it but I know also know that David
edting was working on a uh project that
would have took all of our trash and
would have had it recycled he even went
to surville and looked at a plank down
there that would recycle everything had
businesses standing in line to buy all
these products and use them and take the
trash right back out of the county but
our old board voted it down and throw
David eatting off of every board so if I
was going to be upset at anybody as this
public I'd be upset at the old board
members that's gone now for why they did
that he had an excellent plan for a
trash he was looking ahead and seeing
that this was coming I would also
encourage our public to go after our
state legislators that makes the RADS
and sets the permits down this permit
has been in effect for many many years
it needs to be relooked at it needs to
be gone through it needs to be see if
this is proper proper for Russell County
and which I do not think that turned it
into a trash landfill would be the cor
correct way to go now when we was
reclaiming coal out of it it was
wonderful thing it made a beautiful
piece of land made revenue for the
county gave uh uh Virginia City
something to burn to make our
electricity off of wonderful but now
they're wanting to turn it into trash
which all falls under the same head and
I think it needs to be changed get a
hold of your Virginia state legislation
and see if you can't get that changed or
talk to the company that's wanting to
put this in and let them know that you
disagree with this and you don't want it
in your hometown or in your county thank
you all for all the jobs you do thank
you all ofans that just got elected to
the board stay strong may God bless yous
thank you
[Applause]
ly
first of all I just want to say thank
you for giving me an opportunity to get
up here and speak your name and address
my name is John long I live at 1365
Booker Road in
Castlewood I've been a citizen of
Russell County for all my life of nearly
50 years I grew up near the previous
Russell County Landfield and witnessed
many things that the community should be
aware of my childhood I would say was a
little different because of the things I
encountered much of which was Landfield
related for example there were many days
and nights I would hear my father
speaking the community about his
concerns to the county Landfield and
watching him put up a fight to stop the
Landfield only only to lose he even had
an environmental intern from Virginia
Tech to stay with us one summer to do
research which at no time could provide
any supportive evidence proving land
Fields were not harmful to communities I
have seen and heard the same song and
dance as liners will not leak don't
worry everything was safe and many other
sell pitches which to the best of my
knowledge are not true during this past
week A friend told me that I could could
view the last meeting concerning the
landfill proposal on the internet and
being interested what was actually said
I decided to tune in what I heard was
erronous statements just like I heard
years ago for example the county will
not be responsible for any cost the old
Russell County Landfield continues to
produce leech eight even years and years
after the closure and we as Citizens are
responsible to take care of it do we
want to H or do we want to leave the
same problem for our future Generations
we all should want what's best for our
children and grandchildren and that is
to leave things in as good or better
shape than we found them furthermore the
company involved states that the
majority of the revenue will come from
trash delivered to the to the site by
rail I spoke to Norfolk Southern
personally last week and was told they
were not aware of anyone making requests
of rail services for this purpose not
only that but we all know that coal is a
main reason for the railroad in this
area and that the production has
drastically decreased from years in the
past
if the railroad decided to no longer
utilize or keep the tracks in service
how would that affect the revenue that
is being promised since I don't have
much time I want to get straight to the
point what you're not being told is that
the leech a can be acidic which can
result in eating away at the metal
liners or WS used to connect the liners
I read that the United States
Environmental Protection Agency has
stated the barriers will ultimately fail
while sites remain threats for thousands
of years suggesting that Modern Landfill
designs delay but do not prevent ground
and surface water pollution we are also
being told that no hazardous waste will
be allowed into the landfill but no one
can guarantee it in other words each bag
of trash each box and or container will
not be examined because time is money
and the quicker can be unloaded and
covered the faster the tons will add up
for payment companies will tell you
anything to get their way because they
cannot see past the dollar signs another
example is we are told pipelines are
safe and there is no danger of them
causing harm how many how many times
have we seen massive explosions caused
by gas lines that have leaked they are
made of steel so how is it possible for
them to leak if anyone really listened
to the gentleman from Florida he was
saying the only way for Russell County
to generate revenue is through the
landfill as if there is no other options
tell that to the Handy Market Bonanza
Walmart Lebanon block and Supply tell
that to Samuel or to other businesses in
this County there again is not this this
is not about the county but about the
amount of money that is going to be made
by the individuals pushing this landfill
he also insinuated that the county if
the county doesn't accept this landfill
then we will have to pay more taxes
which sounded to me much like blackmail
another thing to mention is that the
January 31st 2024 edition of the Lebanon
news and article was published stating
that Russell County is to receive $1.2
million for the purpose of such things
as helping grow communities improve the
quality of life all which a landfill
will not do not to mention that but the
article states that the funding creates
a way to use old M mind lands for new
and existing purposes or exciting
purposes I have not spoken to one person
that thinks that turning the old mind
into a landfill is exciting and I don't
think that I ever will what I'm trying
to say is that there are other ways to
bring businesses in Russell County other
Counties have done it and so can we
lastly do we want to be known as a as
Russell County a beautiful and wonderful
place to live or Russell County home of
one of the world's largest land Fields
time it real quickly and for the board
members do you want to be remembered as
that as people that stood up and did the
right things for the community the
citizens of Russell County were
remembered by your greed and ignorance
thank you thank you
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sir who's
next Mr
Christian I'm W Chris I resign in a big
S Creek section of Russell County I
served on the board here for four years
at supervisor at large representing all
the citizens of Russell County some has
stated about 26,000 that's the number I
come up with and each vote and each
decision I made while on that board I
try to consider what was best and right
for the citizen of Russell County and
when we were campaigning for this past
election I put a newspaper I put on
Facebook that I was against this
landfill the first Mee I attended in
1992 would be called a landfill down off
of 71
and he got me to the first board meeting
and I've attended many of board meetings
since then and I am against this
landfill when I was at the meeting the
other night and I told him I said let
the people have a voice put the issue on
the ballot and I say 75 to 90% of the
citizens of Russell County will vote no
for this landfill so consider what is
best for the citizen not the almighty
dollar because the citizens taxpayers I
pay about $4,000 a year just real estate
taxes and I would hate to think that
that would just cash aside that money
has been tax dollars been spent for
something and I hope it ain't going to
be spent for anything like this we are
going to have to do something in my
understanding with our trash our
contract I understand is going to end in
the near future with Tennessee we're
going to have to come up with something
some way dispos of our trash but that
doesn't mean that we have to open up
Russell County for all the other
counties in Virginia or the states in in
the United States so strongly consider
this and let's work to put this on the
ballot and give the citizen Russell
County a voice thank you thank
[Applause]
you
JJ it's you
next know that we have started meeting
with the Board of Supervisors budget
committee every month so every budget
meeting that we have we include the
Board of Supervisors U I think that's
very important for transparency so we
can work together because we do have a
big big problem as you all know
everybody knows with uh with our teacher
salaries um I know the county uh is not
a high tax based County like other
counties uh that are adjacent to us uh I
know this is going to be a hard process
process but I want to let the public
know that we are working on it I
appreciate this board for being
transparent and helping us work on it to
my understanding that the last board
very rarely ever met in four years with
the school board so now that we have a
new board that are open to us and we are
open to them maybe we can get this issue
under control but I want to um I want to
stress to you all that any all other
surrounding counties at the moment for
the next two to three three years are
not planning any type of base raise to
their teachers that doesn't mean that
they're not getting the state or federal
income uh the raises the two the three
and maybe the seven that the state is
proposing but the actual localities are
not proposing any new raises so I
encourage you all to to look and see
what we can do together uh if we can
give any any type of raises here in the
near future uh that would that would
give us the ab AB ility to catch up with
our localities and that's what we need
to do is at least get competitive with
other counties uh so we can hopefully
retain teachers that is left and and
keep the ones that we've got but I want
to thank you guys and I appreciate what
you're doing thank you thank you Randy
Burke Randy Burke living in Virginia I
just wanted to come up first I what just
wanted to say last month when I thought
y'all was over to Sheriff's Department I
said something about them been many of
them at Pizza town I want to apologize
to the Sheriff's Department because they
were out there after school
shooting uh meeting is all the resource
officers so I w't publicly apologize
I've publicly done them in last month I
want publicly apologize this month so
another thing I will speak a little bit
on land because I don't want it
we got to get rid of our trash somewhere
if I was blunt Bo I wouldn't want
Russell County trash I wouldn't want
nobody's I don't want Ohio tenness or I
don't want anybody I don't want Rhode
Islands in their little bitty
State I don't want nobody else is trash
but it's our responsibility to take care
of ours like it's their responsibility
to take care of theirs that's my only
thing is we don't need to bring somebody
else's in here but we got to do
something with their own we got to do
something with Russell County trash not
depend on somebody else that's having
the same meeting saying we don't want
Russell Count's trash we need to deal
with it as far as the liner goes you
know I had a guy tell me this week this
TV stand over here that this thing's
hanging
on that might be the best TV hanging
device that man can buy I mean it's a
good one it's holding a whole weight of
that TV up but you know what it's only
as good as the man that put the screws
in the
wall if that's thing if he ain't do they
can make a liner perfect it won't leak
but if that guy's selling his cracks
together in the liner or Vulcanizing the
two liners
together I I I boss guys for years I
know I had to watch them like a Hulk
because they wouldn't do what they were
supposed to do if that guy doing that
vulcanization ain't doing what he's
supposed to be doing we got a leak so
unless you gonna have somebody right
there on top of them inspecting what
they expect you know there can be a
problem so no the liner may be perfect
the liner may not
leak but what's your employees going to
do that's doing that you know they come
in hung over or whatever
so we can have a problem I mean I agree
you can't guarantee the liner but we can
have a problem over
there thank
you that your name and lo address oh my
name is Robert chaelin I live in
Cleveland Virginia Ivy Ridge Road
everybody here says they don't want a
trash dump in their backyard I don't
want it in my front yard I can see this
place from my front
porch and you can't tell me I'm not
going to smell it I'd have lik to been
up there to talk to that fell but I seen
that guy on I watched it on Facebook
and he's greatest salesman I've ever
seen he probably could sell air
conditioners to Eskimos but he ain't
going to sell his to me okay he says
that this train is going to bring trash
in and when he was asked how long is it
going to sit there on that train he
wouldn't answer he said until they got
it unloaded I don't know if he'd seen
the area but the train tracks down there
at the bottom of that Hill it's down
there beside the place where the old
preparation plank was he prep PL was and
he said the other business is going to
move in there ain't nobody going to move
in there with a train loaded trash
sitting beside of them nobody wants
that I'm telling you we voted
J and if you don't vote the way the
people want there this room there's
another room out there full of people I
don't know if y'all can see it there's
people standing
outside how many people here by raising
your hand want this
Landfield how many people don't want
this lamb field by raising your
hand look at that
only takes 10% of the public from what
I've read on the internet to get a
recall
election that's all I have to
say thank you anybody
else state your name and address please
good morning Steve I'm Sophie chaan
Vance I'm Ben chaffin's daughter and the
daughter-in-law to tip Vance from Ivy
Ridge Cleveland Virginia my family
showed up in Russell County record
boards record books in
1792 and the Vance Family came in the
early
1800s it is obvious that I am invested
in this County I chose come back after
college and raise my children here I
didn't plan to speak today however the
offensiveness that came Monday night
describing us as poor Podunk uneducated
idiots has brought two room fulls out of
your neighbors we do need more money but
we don't want to see we want to see our
funds I personally want to see them in
our schools where the future of this
County right now is being
neglected our teacher salaries are at
the bottom of the barrel and our
buildings are
decrepit the last school building in our
County was built in
1986 many of you may not remember but
that was done by a specific tax that was
on our vehicles that you paid I believe
it was $10 or $15
seeing all of us here should make
everyone respect your neighbor but also
make you feel like the villagers have
their pitchforks out it is very
concerning what is happening in this
County thank
you thank
you come on
Jennifer Jennifer chumbley 765 Egg Farm
Road Cleveland Virginia and I wanted to
speak about one thing I know that you
guys are going to look at doing
something for I guess a letter of
recommendation for our a rates however
we need to remember that we vote in
right people that sit on those SEC
boards that make real changes now as far
as the landfill goes our elders are
telling you no there's Elders out here
that have been here that made Russell
County they're telling you no and I know
you guys are saying that we can't tell a
private business no but we can we can
tell them no we've done this before Nate
stood up here in one meeting and said
that if the board done right no matter
the laws no matter what the laws was we
would be behind you and that's true you
stood here so we will stand behind you
if you do what's right right is right
wrong is wrong we're tired of the
constant battle with our local leaders
we don't want to battle it shouldn't be
this way you should be providing us with
information I mean we are the the host
as you say and we do have the the
contract with podesta it is Russell
County that is in that contract not John
matne not Russell County Reclamation if
this Landfield project was such a great
idea then it wouldn't have been hidden
from us I feel
like it would be shown to us show us the
documents but it's a bad deal for our
citizens I feel like and that's why it's
been kept secret and that's why my last
for request well not the last one one
before that got denied the board does
have the power to stop an industry that
is not good for our communities you've
proven that you've proven that with
ordinances in the past you have proved
that over and over right now my small
town of Cleveland is already suffering
from just the cleanup of moss 3 I mean
we're great we're we're happy it's being
cleaned up but our heels are already
turning black from just the Gob being
hauled out our roads are already getting
black we already have to follow trucks
and if we continue to follow these
trucks we're going to be late for our
appointments I mean there is nowhere to
pass anyone on Cleveland Mountain you
are stuck you know if you're going to
follow these trucks across this mountain
then you are stuck following them all
the way um I have a video of my property
if you know if you don't believe me on
the black Hillside and I overlook this
property too I'm actually higher than it
I will smell it the buzzards Roost on
our Cliff line now let's imagine that
you know you see all these landfills out
in Northern California wherever they
have seagulls we're going to have
buzzards that's what that's what's going
to be on our Landfield we're going to
have buzzards the wildlife will carry
the trash we know this because there was
a there was a trash dump right in front
of that you guys moved that because it
wasn't a good location you couldn't keep
the Bears out with fences you couldn't
keep the raccoons out you couldn't keep
the Coyotes out no animals were kept out
that Landfield and they scattered that
trash everywhere I'm sorry not Landfield
trash Convenience Center you look at me
funny trash Convenience Center you know
Bears had to be euthanized due to their
eting eating of trash and due to people
petting them I mean this happened right
there that's where this location will be
so all in all I guess I'll close out
that our small community doesn't deserve
this again we don't the folks that were
in the room the other night that so many
had come that so many that have come out
to meetings have talked to us I get
hundreds of messages a day there is
nobody that is in favor of this
Landfield that I've spoken to thank you
thank
[Applause]
you okay anybody else
Mike
on Dr Michael Ray 3370 Ivy Ridge Road
Cleveland
Virginia my house is within five minutes
of this of mos three
Tipple you he's talking about in the
front yard it literally is in my front
yard and I sat there last night till
1:00 in the morning going through
through YouTube just looking at
landfills and stuff you know over 90% of
them right there when you sat there and
you looked at them they were out in la
la land there was no houses anywhere
nowhere around but there's a lot of
houses there in South clinchfield
there's a lot of homes here in South
clinchfield now Steve you was the
engineer stuff right there helping us do
put water lines and stuff up through
there you know that the Lee coming out
of the old L field right there eat
through that ductal iron pipe two or
three times we end up having to replace
the whole line due to the Lee eating
that iron pipe you know so this is going
to be coming out in in into our area
it's going to be coming down into dumps
Creek I don't care what they say it's
going to be coming out coming down the
mountain coming in through there and
leaking out into Dums Creek which is
going to be going into the Clinch River
you know not only is our area going to
have troubles but all the way down the
line all the way down the Clinch River
you know please I ask you I ask you as a
professional that's been in this
business in in county for 60 some years
you know my home is here my family's
here all of South cleans field is up
through here there's a lot of homes up
in South clinchfield that when the
Tipple was running I had cold dust on my
front yard and on my yard in my house
everywhere you could go I couldn't seal
it out you know now that the tipple's
gone the the air is kind of cleaning up
the dust is cleaning up now you're going
to put in a lamb
field the smell is going to be even
worse all the way up back Valley that
smell and that wind goes up back Valley
and he go all the way to H acre these
people don't really understanding even
in the H acre you're going to have
trouble because that air and stuff goes
up the valley through there and it's
going to cause problems I asked over
other night you know about to the
train's coming in you know dumping you
know the track how they going to get it
up the top Hill you got to bring bring
it in you got to dump it so it's going
to be down here at the bottom of the
hill and before they can truck it up or
how are they going to build it up to the
top of the hill going back over into the
Middle Fork you know the trash is going
to be there it ain't going to be sealed
it ain't going to be locked out but it's
going to be sealed and I ask you as a
concerned Citizen and as a friend please
do everything you can to stop this thank
you thank
[Applause]
you we're about to run out of time here
but I'm going to take yes me' you graced
your hand before I'll take a couple
more I'm Teresa Pucket I live uh on Long
Hollow Road I spent most of my life in
right in the middle of
Cleveland that's where I grew up that's
where my family is that's where my
family still
lives I'm not for this
landfill I'm trying to look at both
sides but but I'm struggling with it
and this comment people getting up
telling you what they think that's fine
and dandy but what I'd like to request
is that we have a question and answer I
want you to talk to me I want you to
tell
me what you're thinking you know I you
can give me three minutes I'm trying I'm
not going to take again but you know I
want I want you to talk to me I think I
deserve that don't
you I I just want you to talk to me and
I want us to work
together I've lived here all my life
some of you I know some of you I don't
some of you part
family it's okay if you don't want to
admit it but uh I I just want you to
talk to me and and give me that
opportunity I'd appreciate it thank you
thank
you
okay take one
more going
going
gone okay I'm gonna I'm gonna close
public comment period okay thank you all
for all your comments we appreciate
it
any constitutional officers
here I don't think so
okay not on Saturday or not
uh County
attorney wait no reports from the county
attorney okay okay it's up to the County
Administrator go ahead and proceed with
your list
thank you
chairman first on the County
Administrator reports and requests for
the February 2024 is uh which we just
got back late yesterday
afternoon uh from the Veo uh legislative
meeting of course our attorney's
everyone I think was here so
um the Board of Supervisors you know it
was a fast-paced time over a three-day
period that they had listened to you
know the V and what and the legislators
of what laws that have come are coming
up before us today uh the teachers
raises was one of them and of course
they're sales tax and they're still
negotiating through it you know of
course our attorney sits you know on on
the house of delegates so uh this is the
opportunity that um the board during
this time during the legislation and
during the vaco meeting meetings uh one
of the PO most important things was of
course the um we had set issues to deal
with in public
safety uh tdos edos those are temporary
detention orders and and we had to work
with also we also talked to them about
the high utility rates so that was the
biggest that was one of the big ones and
most of the counties so there was a big
topic so they are proactively working on
you will see that in the agenda we we
did a resolution back in December on
this and since then actually Rosa County
was the first allgate I don't know who
put in here that Dixon County was but
anyhow they actually borrowed ours to do
theirs so we were the first ones
alligate SEC so we put it back in for
the amendment because we've got more
data and up up to dat details of board
how it's impacting our systems because
we are getting a lot of complaints there
call and I'm getting multiple emails and
uh multiple phone calls on people that
are you know on fixed incomes and they
are um you know they have to choose
between medicine paying the electric
bill so this is probably this and I
can't speak for the board but I will
speak I know what I've seen for the
three days this is one of their hottest
topics that they worked on during this
time so and it was a long time I think I
we slept like six or seven hours over a
three day Peri period so this this it
was really intense um again that leads
into the reports on the 240 uh uh the
Southwest legislation that was when all
the counties from Southwest Virginia
came together especially during that
first meeting that's when these topics
came up that was very important it was
on the agendas and the next day they had
the local Veo day which they were
setting going through all the state
legislation and the changes and what's
happening in
curry uh and this is a time I'd like to
give the opportunity any of the board
members that do want to speak on their
committees because we couldn't all be at
one time because we had to conquer and
divide up our I mean we we're all going
in some one meeting and some in separate
Direction so um if that's up to the
board if they want to speak on any
topics or anything that they worked on
specifically that was important to the
county then you know that's their
privilege so well I would like to say
that one of the hot topics like we said
is par utility increase and
U I really appreciate this board they
worked truly together and we got
to share our voice and and try to
protect uh the citizens as fors uh these
high utility rate
increases uh we don't know what will
happen happened with that I was able to
speak at the Veo conference and tell
them that we didn't have any
representation in this area on the power
Utility Board thought it was crucial
that we have representation on this end
of the county or Southwest Virginia uh
to have a voice at the table uh as you
well know uh a is a public traded
company and you know they have billions
of dollars in Surplus they're actually
blaming this on the coal
increase uh of the price of coal
but I just can't see passing that along
to uh our citizens as hard as people are
having it right now the county is uh
been blessed uh to be able to do what
we've been able to do but it takes money
we understand uh on your end and on our
end actually to operate so we we've I'm
I'm really impressed uh with the
leadership and how their Direction went
they they were very outspoken uh about
the needs of our citizens and I'm
grateful for that uh it wasn't it wasn't
that they were shy I can tell you that
none of the newly elected board members
were shy they they imposed their will on
on telling whoever uh whether it be the
governor or or the legislative staff uh
the needs that we have here in Southwest
Virginia sometimes we feel left out we
all have felt F felt left out and and
I'm really impressed with that and
that's that's really awesome all I have
to say but I am thankful for uh the
board members and their action in
Richmond uh newly being appointed they
really took an aggressive role I will
tell you that and and I am really
impressed uh with the way that they
handled
their thank you Mr
re if I can speak too uh Lonzo had a
meeting set up for him and I with the
Department of Agriculture and uh sadly
that wasn't able to happen due to a
death in and on their side um they
wasn't able to meet with us but they do
plan on coming down in February they're
going to give us a few dates that we can
pick from and that meeting was going to
involve an opportunity for a feasibility
study uh relating to the timber industry
which most of you know in here I'm I'm a
Timber guy um and what that's going to
involve is the possibility of exporting
logs and lumber from our area straight
to other countries most of you know
about the Inland Port that's proposed in
Washington County and um as soon as I
heard Todd pan bring that up I was like
that is a boom for our region it will
affect the landowner the logger the
Sawmills the entire industry um
basically what we're doing now is is our
money is getting eat up in diesel fuel
to haul this product that we can see all
around our hillsides here and most of us
here know people in the loggin industry
or used to be grandparents parents
somebody that was in the industry um so
our our money is getting eat up in
diesel fuel is this product's traveling
and uh if we can get that Inland port
and we can haul it to Havington and then
we can ship it literally anywhere in the
world it'll be a boom for our region and
we're going to start that process
hopefully here in February and I just
want everybody to know we run on
transparency that's that's what I'm
doing uh we're going to work on that in
February appreciate it thank you Mr
Hy
I'll say um that I was able to speak to
the governor and several of the
legislators about um appalache power the
power rates uh the struggles that that
I'm seeing I'm in HVAC industry I do
sales so I I speak to a lot of people at
their kitchen tables about energy usage
because that's a big part of heating and
air and I'm seeing customers of
appalache Power with four five six even
12 I had the one the other day it was
$1,200 power bill from one
month and it's really comes down to I
think somebody mentioned it before
people have to be deciding between
whether they're going to have their
power shut off or have or have heat or
have um their medicine or food and it's
a struggle especially when you got a A
aging population and a low low high
poverty level and low income level that
we face in Russell County
we need help and I expressed it you know
I didn't miss words I said we are
getting murdered by high power rates in
in Southwest Virginia specifically the a
counties um and I talked to several
other counties that are struggling with
the same thing um so this is not just a
unique problem for Russell County um but
I I went up there to for that one that
was one of my main purposes was to make
sure that they understood how dire we
have it in Russell County with our power
rates it's it's crushing people and I
hate to see that um because it's not and
from for the foreseeable future it's
probably not going to get much better
unfortunately um but anything that they
can do to help us on that side of things
uh is really
important of course the end the port
came up in conversation that's a huge
thing there's an immense amount of
funding that they need to get that off
the ground um and they're struggling
right now to find a lot of funding for
that so the sooner that project can go
the more revenue for our region Russell
County is strategically well placed with
a four lane that that travels directly
into Abington and so if it was located
in Washington County it could have a
huge effect on Russell County revenue um
which that's government talk for
Taxation and what that means is for me
as a as a citizen
if we can get more revenue from business
then we can have less Revenue coming
from the taxpayer themselves the
individuals and so as getting you know
part of the the purpose of of us new
members running was to lower taxes and
get taxes down and so revenue is
extremely important to do things but we
want to bring in business so we can
lower personal Revenue uh personal taxes
that's that's my main goal is to make
sure we're doing the right things to do
what we can do to help you as homeowners
as taxpayers that you can pay your bills
and you can have a decent vehicle and
you can keep the lights on and the heat
on in your house and uh I do appreciate
all the other board members because I
know that was a topic that that they
also hit on up there as
well thank you Mr K I just want to say
one one thing that I think on the Inland
Port they required about 90 million and
I think as I understand it maybe they've
appropriated the first 10 to get started
on that so at least it's a start one
thing we were asked to do is to talk to
I guess the Attorney General's office
about some issues with temporary uh
restraining orders detention orders and
things of that nature and the amount of
time that it's it's occupying our police
force or County deputies they've spent
just an astronomical amount of money
over the the last year uh simply because
they can't find the appropriate beds for
these people with the the mental issues
they say that sometimes they're passing
police cars coming from other counties
bringing them down here when they're
taking their individual to a different
area so uh thanks to Mr Lester we were
able to uh uh I guess obtain a a
commitment from Jason Mayer as the
Attorney General to come down in March
lza yes sir he's going to come down and
we're going to talk to him about that
and have the sheriff's department
present that to him plus we'll be able
to talk to him about some other issues
too and I I would imagine this might be
I think he's probably eye on the
governor's position next term so I think
it's probably partly a recruiting trip
so but any rate he's coming down we're
going to talk to him try to get that
straightened down and again these guys
were just like veterans up there they
didn't know a stranger you know so and
we met a lot of people and and uh and
and you know made a lot of contacts with
other people so I'll turn it back over
to Elon thank you
chairman
um
the next thing on the county
administrative reports and request is of
course uh one of our projects that is
for the lower b lower B Lake study the
feasibility study um the board of
Supervisor has got a $25,000 Grant from
theg economic cold development to take a
look at this so we're looking at
different things that we can increase on
of course yall know that the take
company has is implementing or hiring
and that's up to
170 we've got other prospects that are
coming in to the other side of the
county that y'all will hear in a couple
months that'll be developing and an
opening up too so when we were the Board
of Supervisors was up our talking they
were talking about not just the power
bills and the treatment centers and what
we are have to do as far as
Transportation but they also were
hammering out the economic development
like Mr Hensley was referring to even
that Golden Pond that will be part of
that what y'all were talking about
that's that's part of what we're trying
to interlace into this as part of a a
satellite to the Inland Port it's a
satellite so if we can get all these
things connected together now the next
thing that they also connected that they
also went in into tourism so we had this
report for the opening up the Lord bed
Lake a lot of people don't know that we
got a 330 acre Lake sitting over here on
the mountain that's in Russell County so
we have been trying to figure out ways
we've been working with v do and the
utility company Property Owners the
boards funding agencies dwr which is the
Wildlife Reserve which is where the lake
sits and they maintain it but we are
within uh I think half a mile of Drive
Steve uh half a mile within our roads to
the the access to the lake so we figured
this would be a great advantage and the
feasibility helped us out a lot again we
got a grant we're going to be proceeding
with it with Department of
Transportation and other funding
agencies that can help us take alternate
routes as you can see up here these are
the multiple alternate routes that has
been proposed in the feasibility study
and I know it's small I apologize but
this is the engineering they put a lot
of data in a lot amount of short amount
of time and as you can see these and
anybody that wants these I'll put them
up on the website they can take a look
at it and see how the the path but it
looks like uh from a termin to termin it
looks like a long way but it's only a
half a mile that's that's we're we're
trying to move through and we do have to
walk through the access is also in the
same path of what they call the walk
lines of AP so we're trying to stay into
safety wise and and construction wise to
be able to get a clear path in so we'll
be proceeding on that in the coming
months too next on the county
administrative reports is is actually a
tie in with the heart of
Appalachia they are also u a tourism
there the heart of Appalachia there
tourism Authority for you know multiple
counties in Southwest Virginia this is a
report that was provided by the to the
board supervisors to be able to you know
not just work on tourism projects that
were in Russell County because we are
developing them we got boat launches
going in Trails going in uh and lakes
we're working on and maybe Jeep trails
down in hakre quing trails that we're
working on so this one also ties in with
the whole region which is the breakes
the casino this is a comprehensive plan
so all of the agencies are working in
unison to be able to figure this out to
bring more tourism into the county next
on the county administrative reports is
one uh the last board meeting of course
coming from vot uh we did way with the
Highway Safety Committee well one of the
things that we do we our our my office
receives multiple calls from it and so
do the board members themselves uh
concerning you know Road pars
maintenance or issu so now instead of
having 11 or 12 or 13 or 14 on there we
got 27,000 I'm going to ask for so way
we designed this Reporting System I took
V dos and I I bored a little bit but I
enhanced it with my IT staff this is
online and
actually the
uh I apologize just hang on just a
second this is it online this is a road
condition reporting system that we have
on our website you can go in and it's F
you know a system I mean it uh you can
put in your address it would populate
what it is you do the reporting so what
it does is it does multiple things
instead of having multip meetings
automatically when you hit the send
button on what your issue is it will
send it to me it will send it back to
you I've offered for the board members
to receive these calls too and it goes
to V do so we're hitting in multiple
phases all on the push of a button so
everybody in this room and V do is aware
of this at the same time in your board
members so but be cautious because some
of the poos you know we're trying to hit
the big things you know some of the
things that are safety issues make sure
that we look at you know tree downings
and that's part of Emergency Management
so but we will be reviewing all these
that one time and we'll keep up on these
and report them on a monthly basis so
and we're getting the systems to work
for us it's it's more eyes on these
issues because Russell County is
477 square miles
and come from V do and tur will tell you
he's over in in Washington County when I
came from Washington County they had 10
miles of unpaid roads we have
110 so that is a harder thing to come up
with so we've got a lot of things to fix
and a lot of roads to work on and this
is one of the things and advantages for
the citizens of Russell County to be
able to report their
issues of Roads you know that's in front
of their house or on the way to work or
if they see it let us know we we work
with feed do to make sure because we do
not want any safety issues out
there next
is let me get this back
up yeah yeah I'm
going next is the bylaws that we had
discussed before right now I know all of
y'all have made comments about the board
supervisors can I answer you back well
there's a reason it's in the
bylaws legally Legally and I got to
turnning back me up here legally until
they make those changes these are
formats that they must go by under
parliamentary rules and things that are
set in place so they have set these
instructions in this was previous
previous previous boards that put in
place so they're they are taking this
under revieww right now and looking at
all the aspects and all the terminology
in it to be able to be more functional
with what the ciens are wanting so if uh
this as like I said they are they're
currently drafting they're making their
additions and and this should be out
sooning so kind of be patient with us
until we get this thing in
place next is the vop monthly system
which you know again back on V
Dot um as you can see uh the board
action results for the V Dot The
Residency has no request for actions but
they do give a comprehensive maintenance
activities you'll see what reports that
we get from y'all y'all will start
seeing them on the B do reports on
issues that we get before from each of
y'all through this Reporting
System next on the the county
administrative reports and request is
wza yes sir I goingon to call about a f
minute break here we've been sitting
here for long time I think people need
to get walk around and go to the
restroom yes sir so five or 5 10 minutes
okay
hey if we can get if we can get
everybody back in here we'll go ahead
and resume y try to get through
this three cups three I'm I'm not I'm I
can't dring more more float so I gotta
quit I
got the
shakes will yeah I got watch the
fibrillations on those
things
is everybody back in
no got everybody
Nate he just walked through here I just
saw
okay
okay we'll we'll call the recess over
and okay let Mr Lester continue thank
you if everyone's comfortable again
let's go back to
work this is the time of the year of
course like we had mentioned before that
the Board of Supervisors actively worked
with legislators and actually the
governor himself uh they had that
opportunity to go face to face with the
governor actually at his office so
that's very rare for Board of
Supervisors to have access like that and
this is one of the things that came up
the Board of Supervisors on December the
13th I think I got it right no sorry
December 11th did the first
original
um letter of opposition to a uh
appalachin Power in Kentucky Utility and
uh of the utility rate increases so we
did the one that the the time that was
applicable for the information that we
had just got from the SEC so now we're
doing an amended one to reinforce what
we had seen how the actual rates are
coming through and the impact to our
citizens so I'm going to read some of
this and and this is this is way and
this is what we had talked to the uh the
issues within the county because like I
said previously we we're getting emails
and calls from people that are either on
fixed income low income or are feeling
the uh Financial pressure of trying to
maintain the house uh I've I've had
people that have called me and said that
I run the basic heat I run no heat and
like Mr Kaiser had said the my power
bill is still $500 and that's hard and
we know that and like Mr Edan said they
we got a few talking points that it was
during the winter you know we know that
the during the snow storms and the in
the cold weather for days and days so
what the Board of Supervisors again
wanted to do to make sure that you knew
that we was continuously working on this
what it says whereas since December 2023
the board supervisor resolution utility
rate increasing notifying utility
companies legislators state agencies
general assembly and the governor's
office of the concerns the board has
contacted many of the county citizens
have been contacted by many of the
County Citizens and businesses we
contact left them out cuz it's h it's
hitting them too are currently being
financially impacted more than ever from
electrical cost to use only basic
Services needed during the recent winter
storms with sub-zero temperatures before
the utility rates increases or even
implemented if y'all don't know your
raate your electrical build you just got
it didn't include those days some of it
those days were not included you will
get that on the February bill so this is
why it was so important then we get on
this second it says the state
Corporation Commission approved the
appachan power company appco request for
an additional customer rate increase of
$163 per month for every th000 kilowatt
of irus to begin on January the
30th see 2024 see the rate increase did
not increase until January the 30th that
will generate an exra
127 million dollar of Revenue
so board supervisors Russ County
believes that this is substantially this
substantial utility rate increase to our
citizens is one unreasonable it's
unnecessary and then we have a
detrimental Financial effect on all of
our citizens especially those most
vulnerable the elderly and the lowincome
populations now there forth the Board of
Supervisors of Russell County hereby
formerly request a second re resolution
that the local legislators the Virginia
state Corporation Commission the general
assembly and the government officers
reconsider and resend the recent utility
rate increases to relieve the financial
burden to all citizens and is assigned
by the chairman of the board today so I
need a motion I'll make that motion
second have a motion have a second any
discussion if not all in favor signify
saying I I'll oppose there certainly are
no opposition no thank you chair uh
second thing on the County Administrator
request is uh the Board of Supervisors
this is the board and commission and
Authority review that uh Mr Kaiser had
mentioned before you already have a
motion on that to start the review
process I'm just um mention it again
that we'll start that process and be
sending out the applications in the
applications that as Mr Kiser said we we
are we're looking for uh more volunteers
always uh and we are modifying the
application applica U the application
for you know boards and commissions to
have a little bit more detail we're
trying and they are trying hard and they
work they discuss this often trying to
get more boards and participations in uh
quickly because we've got a lot of going
on like I said you got the take company
coming in you got polycap right out here
that's ready to roll you got you know
I'm going to throw piure salmon out
there that is back on the agenda too
then orbed Lake we got a lot of things
going on here so so
uh that is before the board we already
got the uh approval by the motion so
that will be out will be put in the
application is where I'm going with this
the application will soon be up on the
website and we'll we'll do the public
notes when they're available second is
um we had to deal with
the uh we had a request from the
Virginia op Authority Cooperative
partnership grant for it's called
project
Pathfinder this is an Inc uh a request
of our opiate funds from um to provide
legal aid to you know people that are
um within the legal system due to drugs
or e or and they need legal aid they
they do like driver's license
restoration criminal register
expungements um housing tennessy divorce
they do you know anything that's legal
they're trying to a lot of times the
recovery and the ones that are very
sincere and they're trying to work which
we do have some of you know many of
those that are working but they they
can't get their driver's license back
because there's a legal so so this is
what they will be given Aid to be able
to help them out and get their drivers
license back and get them back into a
productive assist this is primarily for
the people in recovery programs that is
correct sir yes sir and so they have
asked for an aid there's multiple
counties participating in this from
Smith County washon County Dix County
tazel and banan yeah in Russell so I am
asking the board out of the Opia funds
how much they what their
uh what they want to could donate into
the program the other counties gave
approximately 10,000 and and that's why
you're asking for it each one of them
gave 10,000 to collectively be able to
provide these Legal Services they do
have an office here in Russell County
they work really close with the judge
Moore and the circuit courts and the
community work program these are the
people that you see out here doing the
community work at the at these community
centers the government centers and the
rest so it is a real good program what's
the B bance in that fund I I've got
about 330,000 sitting in it right now so
the other Counties have gave 10 yes sir
I'll make a motion to do 10 second have
a motion second to contribute $10,000 to
this uh program any discussion if not
all in favor signify the saying I I all
oppos there are
no next is also on the count Ministry
reports and CR the request is
this is a resolution for support for
Recovery of residencies and providing
signatory Authority for proposal for
grant funding from the Virginia opiate
abatement Authority this is another
opiate request and this is an agreement
between R Russell and Dixon County now
one of the things that Russell County
has in it we have a 22 bed recovery
right now in Russell County for males we
have a 10 bed recovery for females which
is mentioned through the OAA as one of
the um Premier benchmarks to be used
Dixon County is actually following our
suit and doing one in dickon County to
partner with us and Rosa county is going
to be the financial fiduciary on this
even though it's Opia funding they're
they're following our path
so this is this
resolution is to it is a re application
to be set in to go after the state
opiate money this is a little bit of
seed money from each of us that has lets
them know that this is a regional
project this is between two counties
that makes them eligible for the state
funding and that's when they can a will
get funding to maintain these recovery
houses and that way when they're in
there they don't have to worry about the
taxpayer base they're working with their
community and they and the ones that are
there are working they actually in our
communities they actually pay a um a fee
to stay there every month every week
they pay a fee because they're working
they're working and they're paying to
stay there so these are coming self-
sustainable but there's opium money to
help them get stabilized and this is a
program that we're using so I'm asking
for a motion and and a donation or
appropriation again again tell us how
much I had to explain to uh now let me
let me ask you this question this this
is a joint application between joint and
Russell County and this is going after
that when the opioid money came down a
certain percentage of it went directly
to the counties that is correct and but
a certain portion of it stayed with this
opioid Authority and each of the
counties can apply to get that extra
money and that's what this application
that is correct sir that we' were doing
a joint application with Dixon County to
be able to go after the big pot but it
has to be a you know a joint application
or Regional so that would be money for
both their facility and air facility
that's correct washingon County already
has theirs which we already know about
Dixon County like I said are just now
starting their process of this so now I
can't use Dixon County's opiate funds I
can tell you what they donated they
donated $75,000 to this so
so that that was our range at it at the
time even though we were the financial
fiduciary is I said 25,000 that's what
we were looking this is seed money it's
not really the much as a tent but see
Dixon County is the number one County
for opiates in South in State
Virginia that that's a given fact now
but they're limited on what they can do
with their they got opium money so I
hate to say it if you have a a high
level risk assessment in Opia you get
more money but see they don't have a lot
they can do with their money so they're
they're partnering with us so that's why
you hear in you know the the $75,000
range that has not been
yeah
so but Russell County we're doing the
administration on it so they've got the
funding we're doing Administration they
we're doing a joint application so the
The Authority they can go after the big
money so you want 25,000 25,000 okay
well I'll make a motion to do that uh
and then after the second I want to I
want to have a little bit of discussion
on that okay yes sir need a second for
discussion
purposes second okay I have a motion a
second now open discussion um one of the
big needs I see is not just the existing
facility but is there any plan for
growth I know we had an opportunity to
partner with Washington County on a
women's shelter or women's housing
project we got voted down pretty heavily
on that because the need is so great for
housing and
Rehabilitation uh within this premise
with the funding application is there
any are they looking into it as far as
how we can expand how we can grow the
facility I mean right now we've got
men's bed we're Limited in the women's
facility with beds and really there's a
great need Wanda I don't want mean pull
you out and in for women uh my concern
is we need to make sure that any
investment going forward we need to look
at a plan in place for growth not only
in Dickinson Russell and Washington I
was supporting the plan for Washington
County because I got some really inde
deep from Wanda some information in
regards to our people could stay there
if we participated in that project so we
can't hold that up to me and leave
people out here in the cold when the
need is so great absolutely so we need
to make sure that whatever we do that
there's some discussion on a potential
growth or
participation in other areas that we can
align with is my is my
thinking and and and and that is that
fits really in with the vision of what
we're trying to do here because like
between Russell and Dixon County we it
is a heavy you know recovery impact for
us in the in the county um to be able to
hyperfocus their funding on these
recoveries which we have that recovery
male and female which again we were the
first one we just didn't advertise it in
in Southwest Virginia but the OA the
Opia Authority recognizes when they get
in Richmond and they start talking they
mention Russell County as as as the
model to follow
so uh again Dixon County is wanting to
get in deeper the facilities that we
have I have a we have a 22 bed capacity
facility and a and a female tent now
this will help us expand the females as
as we can beyond the 10 this is extra
funding that we're trying to grab a hold
of of and attached to so not just a
local this not just to maintain this is
I mean what I'm looking for is not just
to maintain but to look at utilizing
some of this funding for expansion yes
in order to expand though we have to
have facility existing bed somewhere I
understand and the only you know it's
it's a ripple effect when we get this
because you you know you have more
facilities available you can put more
people in drug court you can put more
people in the community Workforce
program yes and and and it saves you
money at the Regional Jail to the tune
of about $117,000 a year each it's very
pervasive and and and plus it you're
teaching those guys a lot of those
people how to work a lot of them didn't
know how to work and a lot of them move
on and and take jobs
so yeah Mr breeding and Mr Kaiser
attended you know uh the Regional Jail
meetings and they know that the impact
that this thing is causing I mean we can
we can put everybody in jail but you'll
just didn't pay for it so I mean that
doesn't make sense so
um you're just going to sit and pay for
them but I don't mean to be factious or
say anything like it but the programs
that the OAA recovery in the Opia
program is we have our local funds that
we can use and we're using it wisely on
the programs and what we can do here as
you see allocated and then we have the
ones that we can go after Regional to be
able to sustain these recovery houses I
mean it it it takes you know large
amounts of funding to be able to sustain
these but uh but also when we do these
OAS it it also it opens this up for SSA
grants too uh right now we're on the
path we just got Rebecca will tell you
she sits on the board Rebecca D does and
they they're going working towards
certification so that's that's the
ultimate goal to be able to get these uh
in and buildable at a certain amount we
we have certain beds that are purchased
right now by Department of Corrections
they pay for certain the the members
that sit in the houses they pay um you
know a rental I mean a revenue off of
this on on a weekly basis off of each
one but it's not self- sustaining yet so
they're they're utilizing the OPA funds
to be able to do this and it's a
mechanism that way the counties are not
using their General funds to sustain
them and you get the benefit of having
the work Community program workers come
out to the community and pick up trash
along the road when you see these this
is the program that you see or at the
community or at the courthouse working
or here working or at the churches
working we use them model over this
County in some capacity so again I
motion 25,000 okay we have a motion yeah
first of all there's only further
discussion on this matter but we have a
motion we have a second on the board to
contribute $25,000 to this joint
resolution trying to secure more money
for uh for Dickenson Russell County
Recovery
houses I want to ask all of you in favor
to say I I no I'll oppose same
sign it's unanimous one thank you
sir next on the count administrative
reports and request is the um is again
we're on the housing topic again so this
is Department of Housing and Urban
Development this is the HUD
responsibilities these are the U
permitting that they have to have from
the governing board every year and their
five their um for the environmental
review exemptions and also their
fiveyear annual plan so I need a motion
for approval for the uh uh the
Department of Housing and Urban
Development HUD through the Cumberland
Plateau Regional Housing Authority how
motion have a motion have a
second second motion and second any
further
discussion if not all in favor signify
saying I I I'll oppose like sign there
are none next on the count administr
request is uh this is a community block
grant uh at the Dank Regional
suit didn't oh I did didn't I I did that
was not
intentional don't miss that yeah I know
it that that was a County
Administrator here we
go I was pulling the papers again and
just pulled them up okay um next on the
count administrator re request is the
host agreement resolution public hearing
notice uh course right now that this is
has been tively scheduled for March the
2nd of 2024 the next board meeting and
9:00
a.m. uh I know there has been board
members that may have a conflict on this
and second thing that there was concerns
with and talking to the chairman
is um the public hearing and the board
meeting together might make it a little
you you see we got to do business so we
may they may decide to separate that's a
discretion of the Board of Supervisors
so I'll leave it up to the chairman I
just I just think we need to hold the
the public hearing so we can concentrate
just on that all by itself you know and
and we're worry about the business to
regular board meeting so we probably
need to set up a special meeting you
know
so when when do you I mean we need to
advertise pretty quickly then U by law
on this one and ter to I I need a 30-day
notice so it's got to be later I got
it's not the 15 as usual
it's yeah to be able to get it today I'd
have advertis today yeah CU February's
only got what 29 yeah that's right it's
only got so you can't you can't have it
you could have it at
your so you need to
figure
so look at the
calendars well it's already scheduled in
the big room yeah it will be it's
already scheduled in the big room that's
that's already on here
Lonzo let me ask something um and I know
it's probably out of protocol but I'll
ask the public what what the people in
this room would you prefer a week night
or a
Saturday for the yeah for the landfill
meeting basically public
hearing well I mean would you prefer a
week night or
in
here speak
up hold on
wait
I I don't think we can have two let's
let's pick a time where we can where we
can all you know something is convenient
for everybody well we're trying to we're
trying to work with you all so that so
most the most people can be there that
have yeah Mr
Ring
right sure
6: pm on a week night is that
what week night okay I know that's
difficult for some people who work you
know n to five jobs but we can or we can
you how about seven I mean is that too
late you
know seven be better give more people an
opportunity to get there y'all be y'all
be prepared for a late night early
morning cuz it might go a long
time
conference conference center is the
largest facility we have in the
county
yeah it's not a host agreement it's a
it's a resolution for a host this is the
legal
process resolution yes yeah right now
the special council is developing that
so it will be available yes by next
week yeah
yeah the host agreement that's in a
different process there there's
processes you go go through legally this
is a resolution for the host agreement
to proceed so after the public hearing I
mean I understand that's the process
it's number one number two but we are
going to
provide we are going to provide some
financial information yeah we we'll
provide you with some Financial Pro
okay okay we wait that's off subject
okay y y way we need to get through our
agenda here and then we can talk about
that at the end if you want to yeah
that's not so so we just need to pick a
week week night 7 o' 7 o'cl um see if
you have to get to 30 days day notice so
and I got to have it in the paper so if
you Wai now my next run Sean you
here okay um yeah
okay so we're looking at a minimum
advertisement
of and that's a that's a church night
which we don't want to do
that uh
six or that Friday the 8 that work that
word work Friday the 8th that's a Friday
March the 8th I'll make motion for
Friday March 8th at 7 pm and Conference
Cent I'll
second Steve's like I got plans
Friday ain't your anniversary is it
Steve
we need to make sure you got the
conference room open for that yeah okay
oh we will
have
yep so March the 8th at 7 to 10
all right okay I have
Andrew if we're in discussion
can we we set our parameters for a time
and people don't want to be there all
night can can we carry that meeting over
to another meeting you you can recess
and rejourn yes okay we can adjourn to
re to reconvene
yeah sorry
Rec we just let to see how it works out
we can do that
yeah long now okay can I call for a vote
now okay all in favor of this motion
sign saying I I'll oppose like
sign good got
it okay the uh the community block grant
of the D sewer as mentioned before this
is the additional million dollars that
come from
DCd now for a total of 3.5 million for
the Dain sewer treatment plan I need a
motion for approval that is 100% Grant
yes yes I'll make a motion for 100%
Grant you like it good
motion need a
second second have a motion and a second
any discussion if not all in favor
signify by saying I I I'll oppose there
are next on the county administrative
requ uh request is I need a motion for
$10,000 to the Russell County Animal
Shelter um and it's anou for the care of
the animals and bedding and animal
medicine medication supplies this is uh
it also includes colors and leashes and
Etc and I need a motion to accept 10,000
Grant also I'll make
that have a second ter a second any
discussion all in favor signify by
saying I I I'll oppose like
say thank you chairman uh next on is the
Oak Grove uh L use permit application uh
for Gary easterly and John Frederick
Perry um they are requesting on the at
the old Grove Community Center uh their
land their Farm U is adjacent to it on
all sides and they want to be able to
clear the RightWay and put up a fence
it's at their cost they're going to
clear the trees and reinstall a fence
into the the back of it and one of the
things that Mr Hensley had had and I met
with them and discussed that they're
going to clear the trees they're going
to set the trees off to the sides and
then the community workers are going to
come in and cut up the logs and donate
them to churches for energy so we're
we're using that whole right away to you
be able to do that too so uh you think
Mr Hensley for that he he he's into
farming and he had to
negotiate
uh I need a motion for approval I'd like
to make a motion to approve that second
have a motion and a second to approve
that any discussion all in favor signify
by say I I I'll oppose like sign or
none yeah they own this property all the
way around here they're they're going to
put the fence all around the jent back
of the community center so that's the Y
next on the county administr request is
the Planning Commission
plats this is for the Matthew Sergeant
request for the combination of five Lots
into Robert Minon subdivision Lots 20
through 24 off of Route 811 I need
approval that was recommend approval was
recommended by the planning Comm
commission that is correct uh actually
it was the motion was made by terod no
and second by Greg
STS need a motion to she's on the
I'll make a motion to approve that
second have a motion and a second to
approve those plats any
discussion all in favor signify saying I
I I'll oppos like sign there are none
thank you chair uh last one on the uh is
a travel request for mandatory train for
building code into
Christiansburg and uh for the building
staff I need approval for it I'll make a
motion second have a motion second
approve the travel
request any
discussion all in favor signify by
saying I all poose like sign there are
none okay chairman that concludes the
count Ministry reports and request great
okay we're at the time of the
board we're down to the point now we we
do what we call board disc board
discussions and reminders and that's
each board member's opportunity to talk
about whatever they want to talk about
maybe even for some of you guys to make
answer question or make questions so
I'll start with district one Mr Hensley
down there do you have anything Andrew
that you want to talk about yes uh it
been brought to my attention some couple
of months back friend of mine and uh we
jokingly refer to each other as I'm his
favorite supervisor and he's uh my
favorite bodyguard but uh we'd been
talking about uh ordinances and uh waste
ordinances and so anyways I've dug
through a whole lot here and there is a
solid waste management ordinance now
this was put together in
2017 and this includes a lot of
information that from agricultural waste
you know myself if you own a farm
something passes away and you have to
dispose of it properly um it goes into
uh convenience sites that's that's where
we presently haul our trash but in in
that
ordinance it mentions
landfills and he had remembered this
from many years ago and and I didn't um
I don't know if I wasn't paying
attention at the time but I forgot so I
looked this up and if you go on
down there is a
uh section on General prohibitions that
describes private
landfills and if you go on down again it
mentions borrow pits and privately
licensed Solid Waste facilities and
based on my understanding the county
stance when this was put together and
and this ordinance could have been
copied from neighboring counties that's
common um but when it was put together
as long as a facility was
licensed and abiding by state and
federal regulations it would be okay to
come to Russell County my understanding
somebody can correct correct me later if
I'm wrong but I just wanted to make the
public aware that this ordinance exists
get you a copy I'm no attorney I just
read and understand what I'm able to we
got a lot of smart people in this County
look into that see what you can come by
that we're going to have our public
comment hearing next month you can look
into this and maybe that'll help you ask
questions when you get there and uh
that's all I have today thank you
District district
three um the only thing I really wanted
to mention was um I don't know if you
all are familiar with Isaiah house but
um we have they have approved for Isaiah
house to come here um it'll be shared
between Dickinson Russell and tazwell
counties um they're they're still I
think they still have to meet with um
let me look I got a text sorry uh
Russell and tazwell DSs on this Monday
um but that is going to be such an asset
to our County and not just our County
but surrounding counties you know we
have um currently I think it was four
Foster families in Russell County we
have 70ish kids at any given time and
this is something that really really
needs to to be addressed um and you know
those kids that get taken from their
homes they you know already kind of stay
at the DSS office until they can find a
placement for them and Sandy that can be
sometimes days correct weeks so you know
you're you're looking at that this this
room here I mean it's just Bland you
imagine you're a little kid you come in
here and you pile up and this is where
you are for a few weeks that's not
okay so um if you feel led to to be a
foster parent please do
so Mr Eden District 4 I just want to say
thanks to everybody that that came today
and spoke uh I know it's it's a tough
it's a tough environment I understand
that I just want that gentleman to know
I wasn't laughing I was trying to
express my feelings because I didn't
want anybody to be rude both ways I
don't want us to be rude to each other
and there's been a lot of things
throughout on social media and been very
degrading to me my family family my
17-year-old that looks at this and says
I can't believe somebody would try to
expose our family in the nature that
they
have uh I want us all to live here love
here and get along here I don't think
it's in any person's right to throw
stones at any public official or or I
wouldn't do that to you uh you know I I
want us all to get along I want us all
to understand that we're going to do the
right thing
uh for this County we want to follow the
law that's the most critical aspect of
this is following the law making sure
that we do the right thing I'm not going
to jeopardize my family or anything like
that in regards to that we're taking
outside counsel I will further tell you
Terry Kilgore is not the league Council
on this project we hired outside counsil
to give us direction we hired an outside
consultant to give us an understanding
and cor and correction on any of these
matters so I want the public to know
that I mean we we're not taking this
lightly we're we're going to look at
every Avenue and and every obstacle and
everything that we're looking at but we
all sitting in this room want the best
for our kids and grandkids I've got
three kids and two grandkids I want the
best for them also so you know the
things that's been said the things that
acts like we're we're doing Special
favors or we're taking monetary value I
guarantee you one thing I would never do
that and I don't think anybody sitting
on this board would do that and for
anybody in here to make accusations and
degrade us and anybody that we select to
put on these boards that have the nerve
to degrade us after we put you on a
board and and put you under uh uh you
know in a position that there's no
company out here would allow boss to
talk to them like that you'd be
fired you'd be fired and I just I want
to all to get along and I want us all to
be respect respectful bring out any
information you have we we've we've had
a lot of very intelligent people here
brought out a lot of good points and a
lot of good information and we we
respect that and we appreciate that so I
just want to everybody to know when we
go into this let's see what we can and
cannot do legally Le let's let's
evaluate where we're at with this it's
not a personal opinion of what my
thoughts is or whatever is following the
law and the legal manners of what we got
to do so I want everybody to understand
that let's love each other let's get
along with each other let's don't throw
stones let's all try to work together to
try to resolve all the issues not just
this issue but we're going to have a lot
more issues coming down the pike that
we're all going to have to work together
on the citizens so I just want to let
everybody
know Rebecca District Six nope not today
thanks Mr Nate Kaiser at
large well appreciate everybody coming
out the comments um I'm going to hang
around afterwards any wants to talk some
I know a lot of people have frustrations
with how much we can communicate back
and forth from the board um and also you
know as far as us being together and
having conversations but I I want full
transparency you if you want to know
what I know come ask me I'll tell you
everything I know I'll tell you how's I
understand it um it might be limited I
don't know you know I'm limited by my
own intelligence and my own information
that I
have um you know because I don't have
all the answers but I I do want to find
all the answers and I want to work with
you all to do that that's why I ran to
do what's right and what's best for
Russell County to protect the county to
protect the citizens and protect our
environment that's very important to me
I've got kids here that I want to stay
here and grow up here live here work
here and raise their families here it's
very important to me um so you know I'm
not your
enemy you know I know a lot there's a
lot of adversarial uh attacks against me
and others on this board um but I
haven't cast a vote and I'm still taking
all the information in and processing
and and ruminating on everything and I
think that's the only fair way to do
things uh but I want I want to have an
open dialogue with you you know I know a
lot of these other board members get a
lot of messages I believe it or not I
don't get a lot of messages from people
I don't know if it's cuz I'm dag them
Giant and look like a a freaky nature
but uh people a lot of people won't re
reach out to me but I'm willing to have
a talk I'm actually a pretty friendly
guy believe it or not so um but I want
productive productive conversations I I
will not engage in a conversation that's
that's adversarial that's not productive
so if you want to have a productive
conversation if you want to sit down and
we we want to try to find Solutions
together let's do that I'm ready to do
it all right thank you
all okay my
turn uh again I appreciate everybody
coming out early on a Saturday morning
we'll get out time for lunch maybe here
uh one thing about the room here there
are plans underway to expand this room
by you're going to knock this wall out
aren't you
Lonzo so we'll knock this wall out and
probably move this over in that
direction and try to get that opened up
so people can come in directly here you
know you'll have we want that instead of
that being an outside waiting room where
you can't see the board it'll be an
expansion of this room and if it comes
to the point that we have to go to a
bigger room if we start getting bigger
in crowds we'll just go up to the
conference center I certainly want to
you know try to do
that I know Rd may be confused the that
232 Acres of level property over Moss 3
is not owned by the con contractor the
people are putting the landfill in
that's owned by the Russell County
Ida and uh they've had some activity on
it they had a letter of intent from one
company which is one reason why they
couldn't really talk about it I think
that letter of intent has been lifted
now uh but that that's something that
you know has a great deal of
possibilities that that particular
site
uh in fact it could blend into something
that Andre was talking about which is
Inland Port uh years I guess it what
four or five years ago we we had a
logger that came in and was interested
in using that particular site for an
what he called it an inland port and
what we were calling an inland Port
against but he wanted to do basically
the same thing that Andrew's proposing
here and uh he was going to ship them
out from there and he said all his logs
went to China you know but apparently
was getting a pretty good price for him
but he had to fumigate them and he had
to dry them before he can put them on
the rail car so I think if you're
looking
at $90 million to get the one
in uh Washington County started and
they've been appropriated 10 it may be
another five years before they get the
rest of that
money that over there could
start I'd say within less than a year I
mean with the with the right you know
contracts and I don't think it would had
to be a full-fledged
indust uh Inland Port but it could be
just a shipping point uh if we could you
know set the other stuff up there
uh the rate increases from a they've
been devastating to all our people I get
comments and from a lot of different
people my electric bill shot at myself
you know uh and but it's a especially
hard on these people that got fixed
incomes and you can imagine what it'd be
like if you had a minimum check from
Social Security you know and you're
trying to pay5 or $600 I mean it could
just it could just eat up your eat up
your entire check you know and and I
know most of it is coming from that fuel
search charge that comes in there and it
jumps up and down varries all the time
but uh we're we're trying to work
towards that and and you know that's in
our consideration too you know
you know we we can't we just really
can't increase any additional expenses
on a lot of these people because they
just can't bear the burden you
know I wanted to point out too the same
thing you did Mr Kilgore is not our
attorney on the Landfield we hired a
special counsel
there he's a gentleman that's an older
gentleman that's uh well versed in
landfill so he's done a lot of
them we'd also hired a consultant too to
monitor the information that
the the the landowner did the Landfield
group to look at it and verify it and
and you know see if there wasn't
anything out of whack his gentleman used
to be the head of
DEQ F named David Paylor with the pontia
I think his the name yeah
uh and I'll follow up a little bit on
what David said about all the comments
you
know some of those comments at the
meeting were just out of order you know
and worst thing about it is when you
make comments like that it just gives be
whole area bad view if people see that
and I'm sure it'll be on YouTube and
people see it and they're going to look
there's that bunch of old Hillbillies
down there in Appalachia you
know we we got to be better we got to be
better to ourselves I'm pretty thick
skinned it didn't bother me you can
attack me personally I could just kind
of rolls off I went to VMI and I
couldn't have possibly been treated any
worse than I was treated the first year
I was up there in the rat line so I
learned how to get by without that stuff
and one gentleman accused me of being a
draft Dodger and I thought well I was at
VMI for four years I could could have
been commissioned as a second Lieutenant
when I graduated but there weren't any
commissions out there so they gave
everybody the opt out well I was opted
out of it uh uh it's you know it's it's
just it's you know a lot of innuendo a
lot of
uh you know suggested this and that uh
have you gotten any Financial favors or
other kind of
favors my wife texted me and said do you
have any kind of these favors I said no
not lately you
know
so but at any rate we we got to be
better to ourselves I I want everybody
to be respectful when you get down to
personal attacks on people you don't
have anything any any argument I mean
what you guys did to Bay handing papers
out that's the thing to do put put that
I asked I had one fell online and Mr uh
Clark and we were going back and forth
and I never said that I wanted 26,000
people I just said there's 26,000 people
in the county and we need to you know a
group of 50 to 100 doesn't necessarily
mean that everybody's against it you
know but we need we need more
information like that and I asked him he
he told me he had researched landfills
throughout the world and I asked him I
said since you've done that how about
sharing some of that information with us
because I'd love to see it myself you
know I've looked at it uh some of the
first pictures that I saw I traced it
down on the one one of the first ugly
pictures that came out about Landfield I
traced it down on on the the internet
and found out it was a picture of an
open dump that was taken in Poland in
1999 you know 24 years ago you know so I
mean you almost have to look at at stuff
like you know look for stuff like that
if you want to you know but uh
legitimate evaluations and things of
that nature I I'd love to see them you
know I'm a professional engineer I have
to keep all my licenses up even though
I'm retired I do that and uh I've worked
in landfills I did a lot of work up at
Mercer County Landfield you know
probably 25 years ago they were doing
these liner systems back then I mean in
West Virginia and I mean the cost was
like $6 a square foot to put that stuff
in I can only imagine what it's going to
cost now but uh we have to get rid of
our trash somewhere and and it's it's
almost hypocritical to say I don't want
it here but I'd be glad to send it down
to blun you know uh we just we just got
to work through this if we sit down and
talk to either each other rationally and
not getting mad and not let let her
temper get the best of us we'll come
some sort of solution on this so but we
are going to have have this this public
hearing we'll have some cost information
that we'll share we're looking at all
the county finances and what kind of
impact it's all going to have on the
county you know one way or the other uh
but you know we've got right now we have
a three-year contract we're in the first
year of the three-year contract uh with
the Waste Authority our uh the blunt
group our cost jumped up about $300,000
from last year to this year which is a
pretty substantial jump jump in fact the
first time they bid the contract they
had to reject it because it was so high
they came back and rebid it again and
they got something that we we didn't
really have much choice but to live with
it it took a chunk out of our budget but
we had to do it you know and we've got
that we've got two more years of that
past this year and uh but there are
escalation Clauses in that it's going to
go up at least another couple dollars
ton each year uh and inflation you know
inflation's kill us you know our old
landfill down on 71 as somebody
mentioned it's an old unlined landfill
it's the reason we're getting a lot of
Lee off of it and we're trying our best
we budget about $125,000 a year for that
don't we l and to try to take care of
that part of it is in doing the
groundwater monitoring which you do
forever and part of it is in taking the
luche treating uh hauling it to a
treatment facility so we can treat it
but U that's an old on line Landfield
they don't thing of the past you know
so hang in there with us we'll get
through this and let's kind of try to be
a little nicer to each
other thank you all for
coming yes sir go
ahead speak up would you speak up a
little
no no no I mean he might say whatever
they want
no yeah
we're certainly not I think everybody up
here believes in the freedom of speech
for
sure
yeah
okay yeah just be truthful you I mean I
I understand this is really an emotional
issue it it really is it's it's a lot of
emotion in there but when somebody tells
me well it just won't and they can't
tell me
why yeah
yeah okay we're we're going to go ahead
and close it out now we're done motion
to J second all in favor I
okay