2022 meeting
a first we'll start off with call of
order and roll kyle
tim lovelace here
carl ray here
david eaton here
steve brady here
rebecca die here
worst christian present
and luanne wallace here ma'am you have a
quorum
thank you mr lester at this time i'm
going to ask that we rise for the
invocation please remain standing for
the pledge of allegiance
let us pray
father god lord we love you we thank you
and we praise you today father father we
thank you for the opportunity to come
out and represent our county father
father we ask you to be with us be with
our leaders at this time so they may
make the right decisions for us father
father be with those that are struggling
in all parts of the world especially
ukraine today father father forgive us
for we fail you each and every day and
help help us be better people and be
better more like you first in your name
i pray
and to the amen
for which it stands one nation under god
indivisible with liberty and justice for
all
okay
all right at this time um i need to have
a motion for an approval of the agenda
and i will ask mr lester did we add the
uh
what we needed because i've got it i'm
working off my wednesday agenda yes
ma'am well yeah we had the presentations
here okay
and chairman i make a motion to approve
the agenda as presented
we have a motion do i have a second
second got a second
any discussion and all in shoot all in
favor
any opposed
thank you motion carries
okay we also tonight have an
acknowledgement
and
tonight we're going to have a little
presentation for officer a hoenaker
police officer mr noah ball and i have
asked that mr eaton take care of that
that is his district mr eaton
is noah
in the building
yes
he's on his way miss wallace
okay if if you all see noah when he
comes in would you please tell us and
we'll make arrangements to do our
presentation at this time
um
currently we have a presentation from
the cumberland plateau planting district
and that is debbie milton and this is
concerning the daint sewer contract
debbie i'm sorry i'm working off of an
old agenda you'll have to go away for
just a minute
that's okay i know what it is
um we have a presentation from the town
of cleveland virginia
and debbie music representing tourism in
the cleveland community center and the
rabbit ridge pea pickers come on debbie
i'm sorry
thank you honey
just a little bit a little bit about
tourism that we can bring to our county
here in southwest virginia we have a
unique dialect and our style of mountain
music that came in with our settlers
our music is unique and usually tells a
story
we take this music for granted
because it's a dying art
we wish to keep our heritage alive and
be different than the rest of the world
the rabbit ridge pea pickers is a honda
self-taught band
raising 13 children most learning to
play an instrument
singing our mountain songs
this year makes 64 years of the band
being together
and performing entertainment for our
county
playing for over
250 000 striking coal miners during the
1989 pittston coal strike performing at
carnegie hall
a statewide tour with roots of america
not to mention
numerous charity events nursing homes
and competitive fiddler's conventions
the rabbit
rabbit ridge pee pickers would like to
thank the board
for naming the stage at cleveland
ballfield in their honor
and also recognize the talent
of the
performers that have played there before
them
i also have a couple of pictures i would
like to share
this calendar
is from the umwa
of the uh 1989 cole strike
pearl ray and his brothers raised down
in wilder
they performed
which that was a great honor for our
area in recognition
while playing on rabbit ridge
on the russell county side
they were recognized
and they were honored to get to play in
carnegie hall
i'd like to also thank that
the board the supervisors for bringing
tourism to our county
the cleveland horse show
mr eaton here
has so graciously helped so much with
it's been a huge success
hundreds hundreds of people come to that
horse show
and i guess you all been to dip dog
chatley springs
pigeon forge
they were just like cleveland
they were nothing you know they had lost
it all
cleveland used to be the hub of russell
county
we had turkey drives they'd bring
turkeys in and sell them for the farmers
you know they put a bail on a league
turkey and drive them into cleveland
we had a carbolic plank we had a
knee-high plank we had hotels
car cells
don't have that anymore we're in a flood
zone
but
lonzo and i discussed
that and
we could have a portable town
who else has portable town
who would come to see a portable town
you put your towel on wheels
you bring in your food trucks your
vendors
you can get old school school buses that
maybe you can get at auctions renovate
them
make you uh dining cars out of them
have pecan porches in front of them put
everything on wheels and able to roll it
floods
take them up the road
we also need unique lodging
do you know what glamping is
hgtv
[Laughter]
we get to have
areas designed to bring money into our
area
by offering something different than
nobody else has
we can have covered wagons we can have
solarized teepees
we can have the glamping tents
and also the covered wagons
we check wagon in the center we can also
offer entertainment in a package
and incorporate every small town in
russell county in this package
they could go to honaker
what does honecker have
home
they've got a museum
they've got the music
massacre that could perform an outdoor
drama
you can come down the river you can
kayak you can do fishing excursions
uh then you come to cleveland we have
the mussels in the clinch river
all right
you can also
my mouth's getting really dry i'm sorry
it must be the air
but we can also have
the
horse trails
let them ride in a covered wagon if
you'd like to do that
and we could offer unique food to our
area
you can go on down and i have to
commend miss wallace on what she's done
with saint paul
it looks like something from rockwell's
painting now i am so impressed
and i invested a little money up and
date on some houses
i took a chance and i'm so glad i did
i have people calling me
from
wyoming
washington state
florida new hampshire connecticut
you know where they want to live
date
they won't live and date
you know why
because of our unique living
our taxes
they don't have the hustle and bustle
they don't have the skyscrapers
but we're getting cleaned up right
so i have you know so many ideas
of storytelling that could be brought to
our county
the
stage standard complete could also be
used as an outdoor drama
they could perform the 89
coal mining strike
i know saint paul's have at theater
production
through labor day
i think or memorial day
and
we could
provide something like that we could
also
change that stage for wedding venues
have a country wedding venue
there's nothing else like that or county
so that's about all i have to say i just
wanted to encourage you
with what we have
because we take it for granted we're
used to it
but people love from here they love our
way of life
and they want to be here
and they'll come
hikers
they don't spend a lot of money
lookers they don't spend a lot of money
we need money brought in
you incorporate your farmers local beef
your vegetables
farmers markets
sell it to bring some restaurants in
incorporate everything we have our folk
art
we have so many talents quilt making
walking sticks painted rocks people buy
rocks
you know if they'll buy a little
piece of coal in a bag
to present
to someone here's your lump of coal
they'll buy anything right
so we have things to offer here that
nobody else has we can do mining tours
in those abandoned mines
and do a presentation with that
debbie so i'm gonna ask
well yes kinda i kind of drug it out
we appreciate you coming thank you and
sharing your information and your
enthusiasm it has not fallen on deaf
ears i i promise you
um
we
we're we're going to make sure that that
stage is named correct
all right thank you so much we
appreciate you and thank you rabbit
ridge pea pickers we love you
next one officer ball can you come up
please
yes
foreign
okay moving along miss milton is here
for the cumberland plateau planning
district to talk about a little bit of
projects we're working on
uh the dane sewer project was funded for
2.5 million dollars um
so um we are in the process of getting
that contract uh getting under contract
for that project and i have uh sent the
board about five different documents
that need to be signed so what i really
need is a motion
for those to be signed so that we can
send them back into the department of
housing so we can be under contract and
get that project started okay is that it
that's it
second that's all i need oh my goodness
any discussion
authorize the appropriate parties to
sign thank you mr breeding that's that's
what we will do all in favor
yes thank you thank you all
okay next on our agenda is um
a request for the canine search and
rescue and
matt sutherland is here i told him if he
didn't want to say anything he didn't
have to
but um he's very talented and he has a
beautiful dog and so can cece come up
and kind of everybody see ccc this is
cece everybody she's very well trained
and
if you see anybody riding a motorcycle
that's cece so here she is
matt you want to say a few words yeah
this is uh
this is cc it's one of five
um i've got uh
in the kennel here at home
and uh what we do is uh
uh we do uh but we worked
the mendota murder
search
we get out and
do public relations she works up in the
uh she's been on wymt out of
kentucky on the news where she works up
at the breaks interstate park as a bark
ranger
we uh we do the christmas parade as the
grinch and
the dog max some of y'all probably seen
that
but um
what we what we'd like to do is as uh
those uh dog boxes at the uh animal
shelter
they've been sitting over leaned up next
to the creek
and they're going to waste and they're
taking up valuable real estate i like to
go to the animal shelter just to walk
dogs and be uh some of my dogs at home
are actually from the shelter and
they're good dogs out there but those
boxes are serving nobody any purpose
right now and the people out there would
like to see them go so if you guys could
figure out something and possibly
consider
our kennel
to use a box because we missed out on
the search at
in kentucky and virginia during the
those tornadoes so we couldn't take all
the dogs but if we'd had a
a means to do so we could have really
used that that's dog boxes
fantastic thank you
okay uh mr lester can you give us some
information on this so we can make a
decision
on for matt and cece tonight absolutely
these are bosses that are sitting down
at the animal shelter that
we had that have we had been utilizing
we had been replaced them so right now
we were going to surplus these boxes and
and move them them out uh
they would need a lot of work as mr uh
mr sutherland knows so we were going to
move them you know they're almost to the
point of salvage so he's has approached
us to request he thinks that he can use
what he's got
for the trailers to work with the k-9
search and rescue for the russell county
search okay board members are you all in
favor of helping matt out and cece with
this project i'll make a motion to that
effect madam chair
okay i have a motion do i have a second
second got a second all in favor of
discussions
no that's okay
i'm all in favor of it i just wondered
on the procurement side of that and do
we have the right to go ahead and just
do that this person
yes sir i just want to make sure i'm in
favor okay let's do this all in favor
any opposed
motion carries it's all yours thank you
matt
hey um next on our reports tonight or
our presentations is by the county
administrator and this is our
county election
redistricting plan this is something
that we've had to do through the
census so mr lester will give you this
report as we're all sitting up here
looking at these big fat maps
we can see them now
take knowledge
thank you madam chair russell county
board of supervisors as everyone knows
the uh
it has been that time again for the uh
2020 census
uh everyone also knows that during the
pandemic i don't know how many y'all
answered the doors and how many you did
and probably a lot that didn't because
the pandemic was going on
and
also the census in another alternative
method they did a lot of online well
during that time
we only had in russell county a 43
participation so anyone in those numbers
and you get 43 of a total count
there's going to be some that are being
missed you either you're doing an
overcount or an undercount so
what had happened is the president
united states he delayed
the census to try to get a more accurate
count
and it went into october of last year
and then after that everyone knows or
some you almost know that the virginia
supreme court
then modified the adjustments from the
census to include the
inmates and employees and the rest and
during that
what you see on the screen is what the
virginia supreme court's final
map on the districting was throughout
the state of virginia for both the house
of delegates and the senate
as you can see between the counties and
voting districts and the precincts
what you're looking at right now is the
russell county
blocks
and satellite
and i'll be going through a presentation
right real quick
that
as you can see
this is the house of delegates as you
can see the virginia supreme court final
through my dear screen they did the
counts they did the adjustments and
they broke down each one of the
districts and the precincts for us so
during that time
the county had to go back through to
make sure our drop in population and
i'll go into those numbers here just in
a second
and
during our presentation
as i said before this is a russell
county local redistricting
we first got these numbers we were very
concerned it was 43
in participation within a census and
that means a lot to the counties
especially during schools grants funding
that we get it has a very important role
and we did not want to be under counted
you know as hard as southwest virginia
counties work
we need this and it is a great
supplement for our funding
it does a lot of benefits within our
programs within our different
departments in the schools and provides
for example free meals
these are the grants that come through
in the funding that comes through
so what we did we used multiple
uh sets of data on these we utilize the
the 2020 census which was only 43 we
also utilized
the virginia supreme court which were
required by law to use those numbers
also but we also
made sure that they were valid when we
looked through our
real estate records our personal
property records our election records so
we we're looking at five sets of data to
try to get within a ballpark of what
we're doing to make sure that the
virginia supreme court was valid in
their proposal so
during this time as you see a radio
screen is a re is the process of
redrawing the boundaries with any
district or any precinct
districts must be drawn using the census
data that have been adjusted by the
virginia department of legislative
services
and again during the pandemic
we
did it got delayed
and the virginia supreme court
required that the districts to be
redrawn every 10 years one person one
vote principle and what that means is
substantially equal
population standard not every county is
going to have or every district is going
to have
a exact amount and i'll go into those
numbers later
but districts must be continuous
continue contiguous and compact under
the
section 5 of the constitution of
virginia
the constitution also requires in
virginia that cities and towns must
redistrict within 2021
the districts must comply with the one
person one boat
and
they must be contin contiguous and
compact
also
having technology problems here
there we go sorry about that
i may be too far away
under the code of virginia local
redistricting requirements the junior
century assembly is responsible for
reapportion and redistricting all
congressional and state legislative
districts the local governing bodies and
that's why we're here tonight
local governing bodies are responsible
for each each local district under
section seven of five of coach
sets forth these principles of
responsibility
three abortion and the redistricting is
required again every 10 years they keep
repeating that it must beat the compact
territory it must be continuous and it
must be
provide a election district that can be
clearly defined in observable boundaries
also under the coat of virginia local
district requirements the most recent
the senior
uh population figures from each locality
adjusted by the department of
legislative services this is a division
that has been
required by the virginia supreme court
to take the census adjust the numbers
and then give us the final count based
off of these maps that you've seen
before
each locality is responsible for
determining its obligation of multiple
services
sources that's what i was referring to
earlier we used five different data sets
to confirm these to get something that
was realistic to ensure that russell
county
does not lose funding or capacity or
elections and equal fire representation
within each vote in each district within
each precinct
and this we have been working on this
project since september so we've done a
lot of counting
of course what
the registry requirements that we elect
also it applies to the school boards so
the districts and the precincts if the
board of supervisors approves them it
also floats to the districts for the
school boards
so also in there you have precise
polling places everything is well
defined and everything habits it's each
district has its own separate precincts
number of precincts and its own polling
places which must be defined also the
established election districts is
provided in the constitution of virginia
they establish a precinct it's not
that is under under the constitution of
virginia however precincts do show up in
the constitution in this way a
qualification of voters and then the
qualification of voters is you're not a
felon you're able to vote you're a u.s
citizen these are qualifications of a
voter within a county and it also it's
under article 2 section 1 of the
constitution of virginia that sets forth
the qualifications of a voter
again the code of virginia also defines
a pers a precinct to be a territory
designated by the government
city or town to be served by polling
place
for each precinct and each polling place
and establish of these
reflected our current
population within the county
so
what we have to do each governor by
county
of course has established an ordinance
of how many precincts the governing body
deems necessary
the districts are set by the population
the precincts will be set by the board
of supervisors
are authorized to increase or dis
decrease the number of precincts or to
alter boundary pre-subject
virginia
under
also under the coded establish of one
precinct for each town unless
the town council establishes more than
one precinct which you'll see that we
work with town lebanon to in this
election to define that
see that later in the presentation
again
even the precincts must be compact and
continue contiguous and territory and
have clearly find boundaries
precincts also have a minimum maximum
requirements
that they wanted to be very careful in
precincts and this is represent
a priest is a maximum number the minimum
it has to have is 100. the maximum we
can have in the precinct is 5 000.
with our population which is 25
781
our precincts
are to get the 5000 per precinct out of
15 is it's we don't have to worry about
the top number what we do have to worry
about in the bottom number but one of
the things that the code of virginia
emphasizes in their selection of
precincts
every precinct y'all have voted here for
a long time you have lived in in your
precinct within a long time it becomes a
community event and that's one of the
things we want to emphasize
not that precincts are the number not
precincts are defined you know by the
board of supervisors but it is part of a
community
if i look when i was
going through the data if i look into
the area of the lebanon precincts or the
dank precincts or the cook's meal
whatever precinct i was in those
each those ones in that little community
look forward to going to the precincts
so that's one of the things that the
board of supervisors has to consider
what existing precincts we have are
still applicable and still community
driven so
again
it says the member registered voters for
the precincts at the time they
established no fewer than a hundred and
no more than five thousand
it also requires the pace sinks to have
again they keep going into it clearly
observable boundaries
now the u.s census
will not give a population count for a
precinct unless the boundaries of the
precinct meet the bureau's standards for
census blocks
what that means in essence is
we defined ours
the census was done in 2010 we went to
2020. we didn't the counties do not wait
10 years and go okay we got to do a
census every year
the counties
certify their boundaries and counts each
and every year so they were not like
we're going from year one to ten years
at year ten and then decided to work on
this so we knew the count was going down
we knew
what we were looking at at the final end
one of the things that through
the u.s census and the state of virginia
was the pandemic
we was not expecting you know last time
we did the
the census we had good participation
one of the concerns during the pandemic
no one would answer the door because
they we didn't i mean we didn't know if
you had cobia or not so everybody was
very cautious and a lot of people at the
time especially the elderly did not have
access to internet so they did not
perform that's only the reason that we
had the 43 participation
again that's when we went back to five
sets of data to make sure and confirm
what we were doing
and
as we went through it we looked at each
one of the polling places but there must
be
one polling place in each precinct by
law so
there
this is one of those community things in
each precinct so
during the 2020 census that was done by
you know department commerce through the
u.s census during the pandemic which
they mentioned here there are two basic
forms of information
that was needed to redraw the district
lines population data maps which they
got from russell county you're going to
see that we had exact you know numbers
within each precinct within each
district they really well defined the
census bureau provided both the adjusted
by the virginia department legislator
which is the virginia supreme court of
the adjusted ones and those are the
numbers that we utilize
under the public law 94-71
so
and each one of the blocks under the
census bureau the counties the towns the
precincts which they call voting
tabulation districts
the census tracts and blocks
that's how far it goes down it goes from
blocks to tracks to precincts to
districts it goes step up step down
so during this time
we were making sure there was no
boundary boundary or annexations
any adjustments on lines
we was making sure that during both
phase and one phase two by the federal
law that we were complying with these
numbers and utilizing them
we also made sure that the local
electrical districts were approved by
the virginia supreme court
and we had substantial equal and
permitted deviations now what does that
mean and i'll go into that now the u.s
supreme court has held that election
districts are subject to substantially
equal population
standard meaning that populations of a
local election district must not be
precisely equal
so therefore
with this standard of substantial
equality and permitted deviations
the question came in then how much has
deviations permitted in what
circumstances case law answering this
question has evolved over the decades in
2016 u.s supreme court provided clear
concess
and concise some summary of where the
standard deviation do when it's drawing
a state or local legislative district
jurisdictions are permitted to deviate
somewhat from the
perfect population's equality to
accommodate traditional district and
objectives
and that is when the maximum population
deviation from the largest district to
the smallest district is less than 10
percent
there you go largest to the smallest is
less than 10 percent
and that concerned us because we've seen
a large trapezoid in population and
you'll see those numbers here soon too
we had an 8.1 percent
drop in population off the first figures
that
that was 2 000 some we ended up 3 116
drop from the 2010 to the 2020
population
we were where were they at where did
they go and and when we started digging
into these five sets of data we found
out where that 10 percent went
and
again
during the you have the plus or minus
five deviations of each local district
and each local piece strength
and this is the virginia supreme court
low law the final version and the final
approved maps now you remember if and i
don't know if y'all can see it
one of the important dates is the
virginia supreme court did not even
approve the final maps until december
the 28th
2021 so we had to scramble
that because they held it up for the
population for the inmates and the rest
of the populations and race and we had
to jump through hoops in the last 60
days to make sure our numbers were
matching the virginia supreme courts
so during that time
we we were working on them
as you can see
this is the russell county 2020
redistricting we have you know everyone
knows that we have
six districts and 15 precincts
that's that's that's the way it works
and i'll show you better maps here in a
minute this is just the public notice
for this hearing
and these are demographics as you can
see from the u.s census and only i like
these things so these are demographics
of
of our education our skill sets our
employment rates but they give you more
than just a population count
so we were able to utilize these data to
also for for grants and later things
that we need when we're putting in for
other things for the county
so when we were going through them
of course these are the maps that come
in like i said these are comes in at
blocks and goes to tracks and then they
go to precincts and then they go to
districts
these are the defined
districts and precincts each one of them
as you can see
is well
there is a new defined
owning district it's a gi block it's got
a population in
1943 to verify
as we went through them
then we picked up the other
precincts within the
county all
they all have to be substantially equal
in population
so here
here is the 15 precincts
and also in there we have one of the
good things and i'm going to
congratulate russell county
in the history that y'all did and you'll
see here in a few minutes you had 15
15 precincts voting you got 18
564
voters that's in active 412 a total 19
066
all voters and it breaks out the
military and etc
the next thing you have and where you
see the stars at these are things that
change from the 2010 to the 2020
census that we had to physically you
know had a location on the precinct
changes for example
anybody
at the moccasin school
knows it we had shut it down it got too
bad to vote in so we moved it to the
community center
same way at the belfast
school we moved it to the fire hall
so these are the changes from 2010 to
2020 that we missed we had to account
for legally
this is what i referred to before this
is for the town lebanon
they had to on the
lebanon west precinct it has one polling
place now
so that was defined by the town and the
towns have the right for it because
that's their voting
that is their
elections they had to pass an ordinance
now here is the consolidated data the
total population in 2010 in russell
county was 28 897.
2020 is 25 781 a difference of 3116
we lost in this county and i went oh my
goodness i said
we lost 3 000 people in this county
where is that where they at that's
that's not good most populations are
picking up and they're from one to two
percent growing
we lost we lost 10.8 in population
so then i had to find out where did
3116 people go
so
and that in that so here's how it worked
out pulling the
the records from the real estate first
property elections and
the census
that we had during this time frame and
what that equals out to it sounds like a
lot but you gotta remember it's over a
10-year period so that comes out to 300
people approximately ever though a year
so if i break it down between six
districts that's 50 people in each
district then if i have the ones that
pass away move away
then the numbers start going to down and
then i had to be concerned about did we
lose
that
count that population 316 in one or two
or three districts then that would have
made the lines change
because you had to have substantial
equal population
during that time
so
as we came through as you can see
now if i can find my little lie
here that's working so
district one which is tim's district
mr lovelace's district he has 4282
this is the breakdown of each precinct
and etc district 1 district 2 district 3
4 and 5 and 6. these are the population
here is the ones for the voting age
population active voters inactive voters
and total registered voters
what again
as you can see from district steve and
i'm going to point him out he's the
largest district it's in the town of
lebanon it has the highest population
so
from district 5 to district 2 which is
which has the least population it is not
a variance of more than 10 percent
so therefore it was equal across
all the districts because
you know we were losing them the kids
were graduating and moving away then i
also found one of the biggest ones of
all
during the records that we were looking
at 10 to 12 percent of the county
population are renters they were moving
in and moving out
they would move out of home anchor and
move the lemon and then move the lemon
and move the date
so they were fluctuating 12 10 to 10 12
of the population was fluctuating during
this time they do every year they do
every month
so
to get a base this is the actual count
from the virginia supreme court that we
can get valid records of real estate
records on not renters but really valid
records
we know that russell county citizens
and
so
the
the active voters
here's what i was talking to before the
total register voters in 2010 was 19 000
102.
we dropped 10 10.8 percent in population
now in 2020 we have 19 066 voters
that is 36 less we're dropping
3116 in population what and what did
that mean to us when we pulled the
voting records y'all come out and voted
for the first time heavy in 10 years
so
so that's what it equaled out to y'all
finally got out of the house
so
i i want to tell you and what we did and
it we went through these over and over
to make sure and confirm it but as you
can see 10 years and dropping 3 000 you
still are pulling higher numbers voting
and that's why when you sing the
national or mr yonkins election how
southwest virginia pulled him through
now when we were in richmond
when we were thinking
when we were in richmond he came out
personally and thanked southwest
virginia counties for pulling him
through he knew it and he still knows it
this is why
yes thank you yes yes
yes
all right mr lester has the floor please
mr lester has the floor and i appreciate
all the claps so
so again i i also wanted to show
different demographics but this is the
last slide and the rest are maps and
i'll be glad to give anybody a
presentation of this anytime they want
it
from district one to district six as you
can see my pop the population in roster
county was twenty eight thousand eight
ninety seven it went down to twenty five
seven eighty one
which is the three thousand sixteen
district two had a variance of a hundred
and two drop and steve's went up 103. so
everything we had to count where they
went to once they moved
so we was tracing down everybody who
stayed here where they went and what
they did
but again
so
under the russell county election
districts that must be developed within
the county population of equal districts
of a population of twenty five thousand
the ideal
district population which is under the
code
under the constitution of virginia
would be six districts divided by the
population twenty five thousand seven
eighty one which is four thousand two
hundred and ninety seven
as you can see our upper range and lower
range
all of our districts are within that
range so therefore all russell county
districts are the within the ideal
district population per the virginia
constitution so
now that was six months worth of work so
in a summary of 15 minutes but i'll be
glad
you know to talk to anyone afterwards
but that
here is a breakdown of the voting
districts between the six districts
this is a breakdown of the precincts
this is a breakdown of the house
district 43 3 now which is will moore
fields
we have this one will be is right now mr
wamplers this is the scent this and it's
just a color code of it here is the you
the senate
which you know
which is changing two which is district
six
and it's just different color codes and
these are the maps that we had to deal
with going through
each and every house every boundary
every adjustment tree
power line
river
to make sure that we did our due
diligence to ensure that russell county
had the correct population during its
census for its districts and for its
precincts
and for to ensure that we get equal
representation and funding
and that is all
thank you
well you've wore us out mr lester thank
you that's a lot of information
yes and if anyone wants mr lester to
come to your house and do a presentation
he's available if you did not get that
information this time around we'll send
him back around again
thank you all for sitting through that
we this has been an arduous task for all
of us and we wanted to make sure we got
it right so just so you're sitting here
tonight and listening to this we
understand that it is a difficult thing
to learn and listen to but as you can
tell there's no stone left unturned here
tonight i think
moving on we will now have
a public hearing
and so i will open the floor mr lester
do you do that or can i
okay
i'll open the floor for public comment
on the redistricting so if anybody else
has anything left that has not been said
tonight on this subject please
step up
do we have anybody that wanted to speak
on public comment for the
redistricting
anybody
going once
i'm going to give you i'm going to give
you just a second or two more to make
sure that all hearts are clear
board members do you all have anything
you want to say your ad
ones i did as i understand that the
basic boundaries of the district really
didn't change any
maybe just to tweak a house here and
there is that correct the the boundaries
themselves can did not change
uh now they mow you know
what we did look because each one of the
boundaries are defined by the board of
supervisors
that are in place in the precinct
sustained now
based off the population equal
representation each of the districts
came within the range of the 10 percent
deviation
did not it did not
make long story i like talking this
stuff so i think that's the biggest
thing that the public would want to know
if the district
boundaries changed at all so they did
not and that and that is one of the
things that the districts did not change
the precincts did not change but the
board you know at their pleasure you
know have that authority to change the
precincts but guys remember
these are just more than numbers it's
part of the community so each one of the
precincts has its own home as they call
it so wait i have another question you
said the town of lebanon only had one
prank seat now for their voting for the
town council
okay yes they moved it from the fire
hall to
the elementary school because the bigger
problem yes okay but we're still in the
west and east
west and east because those are within
the districts of the board of
supervisors all right thank you yes sir
anything else before i close this public
hearing
okay i'm a form i'm formally closing the
public hearing we are finished with
redistricting thank you very much again
mr lester and remember he will come to
your house and do a presentation if you
need one
all right moving on
and i know that you guys have sit here
and i apologize that uh you've we've
done this on a knife that may be a
little bit long for you
so uh moving on to new business i need
approval of the minutes that you have in
your packet i hope everyone has read
those
thoroughly and i'm ready to take a
motion
i'll make a motion and put the minutes
thank you mr christian do i have a
second
i'll second it
thank you miss die we have a motion in a
second to approve the minutes uh any
discussion
all in favor
thank you
um approval of expenditures
that's in your packet also
i'll make a motion when we approve our
expenditures as presented
thank you mr breeding any i need a
second i'll second second mr christian
um all in favor
any does any uh opposed
motion carries i should ask for
discussion and um
i'll take chairman's pleasure here but
our budget and everything with our
financials we're still on target with
everything correct mr lester
your microphone isn't working yes yes
ma'am thank you all right
now we're moving on to committee
appointments for board consideration we
have the local college board which is
southwest virginia community college
board
dr brown has resigned that position as
he is retiring from the school so i need
him a motion to fill this board
term for four years
madam chair i'd like to nominate cynthia
compton
okay we have a nomination for cynthia
compton
i'll second it
okay we have a second
any discussion
okay all in favor
any opposed
any abstentions thank you
next we're moving on to the russell
county public service authority we have
a vacant seat there it is a four-year
term it expires on june 24th of 2023
and i believe that is mr lovelace's
district
yes ma'am i need a motion for uh an
appointment
i would like to nominate tommy tigner
okay we have a motion for tommy tigner i
need a second oh second got a second
uh all in favor
any opposed
hearing none motion carries
okay
now we have come to the time that i
think most of you are here for this is
our citizen comment period now i will
ask you if you want to speak your name
is onair list
please speak into the microphone and
give us your name and your address
please
and also i will call i will call each of
you
you will have three minutes now i'm not
going to be real strict on the three
minutes but i'm pretty strict so if you
are finishing up a sentence at the end
of that three minutes i will let you
finish it but i won't let you have a
whole paragraph or a page
i asked each of you
to be cognizant of the time
if you have things that's already been
said on your list
and it's no different from anyone else's
please
lend your time to someone else because
your questions will be answered i'm
asking our attorney
and the county administrator
to take notes during your comment period
because we want to make sure we have no
misunderstanding when we walk out this
door tonight
and so
miss patton will be writing down your
concerns
that way you will have a direct answer
at the end
of the public comment period
in other words when all hearts are clear
and everyone has spoke
that will be the time that they will
address each concern concerning uh what
you're talking about and it will be by
virginia code
and the new ordinance that we are
implementing for noise
so i hope if you don't understand it
i'll help you along but i will call on
you so i want to hear everything you
have to say no questions no comments are
bad
this is us trying to make it better for
all of us so i asked you to be polite
and uh we will listen thank you very
much i'm gonna get ready to call okay
first one is wayne perkins mr perkins
you're on the spotlight first off
thank you thank you
well my name is wayne perkins i'm 114
friendship driver turn your turn your
microphone around turn your turn your
podium around you're addressing us
tonight okay that'll help you all right
thank you i'm from swords creek and i'm
a pastor at revival center in swords
creek
and
my concern within the ordinance
is things that we have been confronted
with the pandemic
throughout this pandemic the governor
then governor northam
had his
regulations and rules that we had to
abide by
and there were times that she wasn't
allowed to gather out together in the
house of god and we we went outside and
we went outside and
spread everybody out we we had our
speakers and we had our amplifier try to
make sure everybody could listen could
hear uh we moved it
inside when we had the opportunity you
know we we
even had roads that you couldn't sit in
we even had people wearing the mask and
all that
but my concern is what if it happens
again or what if something comes up
again
are we going to be told that we can't go
back outside because the noise ordinance
is
bothering some neighbor somebody that's
concerned
uh down the road somebody says you're
too loud those are the things that
bothers me i mean we
we tried to do our part the best we
could and we're going to worship the
lord we're going to we're going to
glorify god it's all because of him
and you know whether that gets too loud
i mean
i apologize
if that offends you i don't apologize
for glorifying god
i don't apologize for worshiping the
lord
and so
that is my concern and then i have a
another smaller concern
that me and my boys we went out at 5 30
in the morning we i'd get them up we go
out and we we had a second job i had a
second job i do my job
during the week and i go with the
evenings and i'd go on saturday and
we'd we didn't read them all
there were times it it may have went by
the time frame i don't i don't know
exactly what that time frame is but i do
know we'd be up at 5 30 in the morning
to try to beat the heat
and we get out and we we had a job that
was six to nine hours of weeding there
wasn't no
very little mowing it was it was mainly
weeding
and you know you can have neighbors say
well you're bothering me you're
disturbing me and getting up six o'clock
and we'd eat i mean we got up 5 30 to
get ready
and so those are my concerns
or or those kind of things and like i
said especially for the church
i mean
we've done everything we can
to abide by the by the rules and by the
laws
i want us to be able to have our freedom
to worship like we always do
thank you
i'm sorry thank you very much you did
not use up all your time so thank you
next one up is mr keen bj king
the kind of noise ordinance i've been
talking about
it's not the church
okay
mr king okay
i'm an ordained minister too restaurant
right here in russell county at the
lebanon courthouse
you can be checked out
i'm also a vietnam veteran
i have over eight years
i have hit a landmines my left side and
back's messed up
you know i have a right too i have a
right so when i lay down at night
that i can get a little rest
we all have rules and regulations
you have a license
but if you abuse that licensed driver
license to where you're endangering
somebody else
you can lose it
i'm not saying that you know sometimes
we have to use common sense
you can always look for a reason not to
but you can look better especially as a
pastor
to help your fellow man to make it a
better way of living
to help him out
so i bought these meters
and they don't go like if the church is
having a thing
they don't read past that what they read
past
is like at three and four in the morning
and the drug dealers across the street
are having a wild party we're wasting
taxpayers money to send to deputy there
because he can't do nothing we're not
only wasting the money we're putting his
life in danger
okay
a lot of us all vets we're getting old
and we get contrary in the middle of the
night
believe me i do
you get me up at three or four o'clock
in the morning you better have a good
reason
but in the old days it's not like now
like i said before
if i was making a lot of noise
david lived near me he'd come over and
knock on my door
hey bj how about calming that noise down
i'm sleeping i'm sick a lot of these
guys work they gotta have their sleep at
night
you know i don't think five o'clock in
the morning 5 30 somebody going out weed
eating or something is gonna even raise
the meter up on these it has a good
sound barrier it shows you what's
accessible and what's not
but if you're talking about three or
four in the morning
and they got the stereo blast and so
loud
that it wakes up the whole neighborhood
you're infringing on all the rights they
all have a right to sleep they all have
a right for peace not only that i have
an old guy 80 years old that drives the
bus
he leaves for work at 4 30 in the
morning if you don't get his sleep we're
not only endangering him we're
endangering all those kids and they come
on your way
he goes over there and picks those kids
up and brings them back to the college
he gets back home
about 10 10 30 in the morning he's got
to go back to sleep
you know
that's all we're asking for is pure
common sense
i'd like to pass these meters out i'll
give them to miss wallace
you can look at them you can decide what
you want to do
the compliments in russell county
you want to use them use them or not
invest in this wallet
whatever you want
the town of london has
an ordinance
and their ordinance just says at 11
o'clock mr king yeah i know i'm over
it's quiet time
smiley on the clock
i'm out
that is too cool thank you mr keane i
appreciate it
um i've got matt sutherland down here
but i think that he signed up um to
speak before
so we're good is matt and cece's gone
right
okay next in line we have uh mike dye
mr dye from uh and please remember to
give your name and address
we haven't been doing that
uh my name is mike dye 10 300 new garden
road honey virginia i live in district
3.
uh i had a good speech today till i
found out everything i complained about
supposed to be exempted
and
i guess what what bothers me the most is
is i talked to two supervisors
and uh they didn't know everything was
exempt from uh dogs barking to
church all church activities are exempt
and uh
you know you you get to talk about all
church activities exempt
uh i mean you're you're opening the door
for everything
and uh you know so i finally just asked
a question i i asked why what what
what's non-exempt
and and it was brought up and and three
supervisors brought this up about
people sleeping through the night and
getting up the next morning
uh everybody don't work day shift
i mean you've got people that work
second shift third shift
uh that sleep during the day
and uh you may have a third shift guy
that wants to sleep from 2 pm
to 9 at night i mean he's
does he not have the same right to sleep
as the day shift guy dies i look up here
we've created 1786 we've gone 236 years
without a noise ordinance and i think we
could go another 236 without a noise
ordinance
and if i go outside ladies and gentlemen
mike mr dye ladies and gentlemen i asked
you if i go i asked you if i go outside
for a church service and i and i read
that endar talks about the first but it
talks about an amplified voice
uh i mean we've we've got people that
lives up from the church for our pastor
that says they can hear our our church
services now and we're inside and i just
want to be guaranteed that if we want to
have a what's not service that goes past
12 ain't nobody going to come to the
church and tell us hey you got to quiet
it down or a tent revival outside or
sunrise service at six o'clock
or whatever and and uh you know i asked
a couple of supervisors about uh running
saws uh late at night and then i found
out today that's exempt uh what about uh
what about farm equipment after nine
o'clock i found out today that's exempt
i mean if if all this is exempt well my
district supervisor didn't know the
supervisor at large didn't know
the only reason i found this out today
was because i i called the chairman and
asked to move the meeting down in the
conference room and i think it's very
disrespectful
that you didn't for the crowd uh i think
when you can say well there'll be enough
room to sit and stand
uh i really think that was a ridiculous
answer when you get to set and padded
seats up there that's paid for by the
taxpayer and then you could this would
have been so easy to move and i'm not
being a smart look i'm just telling you
fact jack i mean you know but after
calling today to get the meeting moved i
found out that this is exempt that's
exempt this is exempt that's exempt if
everything's going to be exempt then
there's no use to vote in this
scenario's ordinance yet this should be
voted down seven to nothing it shouldn't
pass and thank you for my
[Applause]
time all right
i i'm going to butcher this so please
forgive me it looks like
cody
okay
cody jackson come on up
i apologize
i'm a pharmacist so i'm used to really
bad handwriting oh the doctor in you
came out huh um so first of all let me
say good evening to the board of
supervisors thank you all for allowing
us time to speak my name is cody jackson
and i am also a minister at harmony
community church in belfast and i live
at 851 copper road in the cleveland area
of the county uh i came today to voice
concern over that noise ordinance
after reading the actual ordinance uh i
did come to believe that that great
effort was made with regards to making
sure that it kept in line with
established legal precedent regarding
the objectivity of what actually
constitutes a noise disturbance however
i still believe that the ordinance does
propose some potential risk to cause
unintended hardships to the residents
for our county i think a little too
little consideration was given to the
cultural aspects of our community
especially with respect of course to
free exercise of religion i have lived
in southwest virginia my entire life and
being a christian myself i know how many
deeply held traditions that we have i
have grown up listening to great men and
women of god
declare the glory of god with great
fervor and excitement i've watched many
weary folk who shout the victory of god
with tears streaming down their face
with on the outside their life looks
like they have no reason to have the joy
that they have and now while we as
christians typically will condemn
pointless racket we are anything but
quiet most of us ring in the new year
with services lasting well past midnight
we celebrate the resurrection of christ
by gathering in for service before the
sun rises over the clinch mountain range
on easter and outside services are
common for us perhaps even required at
times like has already been mentioned
with the copenhagen pandemic
these services actually have a special
place for me because i gave my heart to
christ in one in 2006 in a tent revival
so i want to be specific my greatest
concerns lie with a couple of the
following things exception k mentions
that a protected expression would not be
a part of this ordinance but it also uh
carried with it not amplified expression
now if amplified expression means or can
be defined or any of these fall into
that definition as shouting
or yelling or or singing
then most baptists and pentecostals here
are simply going to call that a great
meeting
uh furthermore uh while exemption uh
we're given to a great many things uh
such as sports and other things there's
no direct mention
given for a regular course of a
religious service uh so we we i feel
like we desperately also need a specific
call out for religious services that are
conducted outdoors on private property
uh the reason of course being already
mentioned that uh we could be able to go
out and in course of a pandemic or of
course somebody like me is lost and
really needs to hear the gospel and will
come to a tent revival when they won't
come uh to a church house uh it may seem
unnecessary
for some of you to drill down such
specifics but i want to remind you of
this that just this year
in a county of michigan a board stopped
praying before their meetings just like
you did tonight
because that the freedom from religion
foundation admonished them for doing so
so i ask that you postpone this until
more public comment can be made thank
you
i appreciate it
okay next one mr lester are you timing
okay
all right
anyway um let's see where are we uh i
believe steve steven dameron is next
stephen are you here oh yes okay
come on up stephen give us your name and
address please thank you my name is
pastor stephen dameron i live at swords
creek and pastor of the
clarksville church of jesus christ and i
thank you for allowing me your time this
evening
and i'm like mike and him i didn't know
that
the church was going to be exempt and
waited and was going to be exempt and
so he sort of threw me a curveball so
but
on the part about the being amplified
we have some people at our church that
is a little hard of hearing
and even when we have services outside
we have to use amplifiers
so that they can hear that
and if someone down the road which we've
not been faced with that problem but you
never know what's in front of you if
someone comes and says that our service
during the middle of the day
is bothering them
is they going to be something
to protect our amplified
noise because of people in our church
that has a hard time of hearing even
though we're outside
and we're like mocking them we have
we bring the new year in by having
church service and
thanking the lord for it we don't pay
attention to when it gets 12 if it's
12 and we're still going on we'll go on
but if god's done before 12 we'll go to
our house
and we have the sunrise services and
stuff and
i know a lot of people sleep past eight
o'clock and
like if someone's weed eating and my as
wayne was talking about earlier is they
step in there to protect people doing
that is that really going to be exempt
from this
and i thank you for my time and
i really ain't got much say i had a
mouthful but thank y'all for taking that
away from
you can thank god
all right um
mr mclaughlin scott mclaughlin hoenaker
we're ready to hear you
well i'm here for my name's scott
mclaughlin i'm from honaker i'm the
on the council of irontown i was coming
for the noise too but
since i found out a lot of it was exempt
so
i had on my mind to ask for a donation
for my kids fishing day
and i was also told that lonzo had the
money
but you have to listen to redistricting
but i appreciate anything the board can
do to help me out
uh this has been going on for five years
and it's been a real excess
the last two year
i've put six thousand dollars into this
event
and i mean each year i put six thousand
dollars i buy
fishing poles i buy all the fish
to stock a trout in the creek but i
appreciate anything y'all can help me
with
uh last last year i had 395 kids amazing
amazing i've got 122 fishing poles left
left over from last year
to start with this year and i'm shooting
for
enough prizes for
500 kids wow
thank y'all thank you
okay
kirby meadows
thank you board for letting us come
tonight and speak to you my name's kirby
meadows i'm from honaker live up in
stone branch area next to drill i was
calling about the noise ordinance also
and i would ask you all to consider
you said it's exempt
when you start listening to this
amplification stuff
go to your schools for your outdoor
activities i don't have a thing against
them i'm for all of them but they have
amplifying that neighbors can hear
several feet away i've been there
and you know what if our churches can't
worship our god freely like we need to
it needs to be inside and there's people
there out in the community that never go
to church that might be a time that they
hear that word
and hear what they need to hear
you know what if we cut cut it down and
this right here if we let this go
through and circle against this start
going against the churches here what's
next
what's next you know our government a
lot of times are trying to knock down
our churches already summer governments
are but you know what god is the basis
we have our country founded on
he truly is and we're going to start
knocking that out
we're in trouble
we need to leave you know this alone
like i said with it being exempt
i was first was under impression it
wasn't exempt and it needed to be exempt
churches need to be exempt if they're
not
personally and this is my feeling only
anybody sitting on the board if it was
me whoever if i sit there and say i was
a christian i believe for something that
didn't exempt churches from this i'm not
the man i'm supposed to be
you need to be a man to stand for what
god tells you what he gives you in the
bible that's what we're founded on if
you can't vote that way and vote your
heart that way there's something wrong
i'm not your judge your answer to god
thank you all for your time
[Applause]
okay dawn
from green valley oh man i'm so sorry
i'm slaughtering your name
thank you
i know who you are welcome
help us out here i'm doctor don
arzanpone i live at 845 green valley
road
i'm the pastor at green valley baptist
church
my question for the board is who's going
to determine the level of noise
my turn question for the board is
what's too loud
my question for the board is when we
broadcast our worship services through
our outdoor speakers
and they go down the valley as they did
during the time that the churches were
shut down
and people heard our services and we'd
get calls to the church and comments
about
how wonderful it was to be able to sit
on our porch
and hear the church service and now
they're attending church at green valley
baptist church so we can be together
my fear for the county
we don't need more government overreach
and my fear for the county is that this
is going to pit neighbor
against neighbor
and my fear for the county is again i
ask each one of you who's going to
determine the level of noise
who's going to determine if something is
too amplified
now we've heard a lot about a lot of
stuff being exempt
well so many things are going to be
exempt maybe we just need to exempt this
thing right on out of here
thank you pastor don
mr lester my calculations and yours are
not working out very well because i i
don't know about this but anyway we'll
work through it i promise mine says
three minutes
yours is slow
all right let's see who we're going to
hear from now dorothy schrader from dane
virginia is dorothy here
thank you
how are you
my name is dorothy schrader
and i live at 504 lower bare waller road
and a police officer came by my house a
couple weeks ago
and said that we can no longer park
in the road in front of our homes
and ever since
we have a speedway by my house
40 miles in air
is slow for them
they were fast before
but now i'm telling you they're moving
on
and uh
i have a picture here i'd like for you
to see my front gate is three feet
from my yard and i have two
grandchildren three and four years old
that can step out that gate
and get killed
i'm telling you this can't happen
i mean i'm so upset about this i'm sorry
but they do visit me pretty often
and
when our cars were parked in front of
the road which has been for 50 or 60
years probably
you know
they have to go around them cars so they
have to go slower by our homes
i understand if it's junkers
you know
out there get rid of them
but going around the car ain't gonna
kill nobody
and
i have a rental property too they have
three cars
and one garage
that's a one car garage
where they going to park
they're telling me i can't have a worker
to come to my home
and work on my house
and have a car parked on the road
i got my cars in my yard
but i can't even have a car on the road
for somebody to park
and come back here and work in my yard i
tell you what i've never seen anything
like this
and a police officer saying they're
going to tow our cars away
if we park in front of our home they're
gonna tow our cars
it's ridiculous
but i wanna show you this picture
will have you found it
we'll probably need to work on that okay
trust me
trust me okay
thank you thank you dorothy for coming
we need speed signs and bumps yes thank
you
all right um gary dodson
there you go castlewood
appreciate the board hearing me tonight
and
madam chairman and other board members
my name is gary dodson i live in
castlewood and most of you know me but
anyway i'm here for a little comment
from
last month that i made about
the rumor that uh
no previous board members could be
appointed
newly to boards
and if that rumor is true and the board
feels that way and the ones that you do
or ones that you don't
you should consider young
rule that you should only vote run for
election one time and serve one term
so if it applies to the to the committee
members that you appoint through the
county which is important offices also
you should follow your own rule
thank you
thank you gary
next is
johnny
oops
help me
brown
it looks
like johnny brown or johnny
is there a johnny that signed up to
speak
johnny
okay
if somebody comes in named johnny please
let me know okay i don't want to leave
anyone else
okay
okay thank you
all right
okay let's move along lynn hess
my name's lynn hess i'm 137 oakland road
in swords creek
i want to start off by saying that i
think this noise ordinance is just like
the other ordinances that you've passed
in the last year they're government
overreach
we live in a royal county we do not live
in a town i do not live in a town and
don't you don't need to be making it
like a town and that's what you're
trying to do with this ordinance
uh i don't live in uh
town of lebanon because of the
ordinances and law i don't live in the
town of honaker because of the ordinance
and the laws and the taxes that they
have
i don't live in the subdivisions like
gray hill because you got homeowners
associations and things that's that you
gotta abide by i live in a country i
live in the country where i can do what
i want to do on my property miss dodd
appreciate your attention honey
all right please do
uh
i would like i would like for you to
leave my county alone as far as putting
all these laws on us
and us we are residents of a county not
of a town not of a homeowners
association i understand this man's
problem back here mr keane he was
talking to me we need to pass some kind
of law to pinpoint these drug dealers we
need to pass some kind of law to
uh
pinpoint these troubled areas that we
have not the whole county 28 000
residents you got three complaints
and you're going to paint the whole
county with one brush and say that we
can't do what we want to on our property
come on you're you're you're just
passing laws that we don't need
like mike said we've been here for all
these years and we've never had to have
one i've had trouble neighbors
i've had neighbors that's got dogs i've
got neighbor i had a neighbor that had a
moped that didn't have a muffler on it
i told him get his hand into the house
and shut it down i didn't want to hear
it anymore that's what cam that's what
country people do
we talk things out we work things out we
don't need you to govern us like this
we need to be able to worship in our
churches the way we want to worship we
got that freedom through the
constitution of the united states and we
don't need a local government
of coming down on our count on our rural
county if you want to do it in the towns
that's up to town councils if you want
to do it the homeowners association
that's up to the homeowners associations
but russell county the land that's in
the county
should not be governed this way it
should not they should not be putting
these kind of ordinances on ordinary
people out here in the country and i've
talked to some of you and you know how i
feel
but please don't do this
because it's it's just it's just going
down a slippery slope it's what it is
and i want to ask you said we could ask
questions and she had answers at the end
of it
when was the public meeting for this
i heard it was back in february of 2020.
my my it's a long time
uh what is the normal noise level
who's going to establish that boundary
line
what's your starting line
who gets to establish that
i say we don't need one and we need to
leave it alone
[Applause]
harold
ashford or asher
of
363 dylan street
i'm harold osborne i live on 365 on the
street
my wife was going to speak next but she
doesn't oh that's okay
but my issue is
with the loud
radios okay i have a daughter that is
autistic
there's times
she will literally pull her hair
out
and beg me to make this stop
we've tried to call you know
to speak to the sheriff but they can't
do nothing
there should be something in place
to take care of this
i work
five six days a week
there's times six o'clock in the morning
this is went on
with the loud music
and when we call nothing gets done
and there's there should be
something there
to stop this if you're in your living
room or in your dining room
having dinner
and it sounds like a concert
in your kitchen
that's a little loud
that's probably the most
i would have to say
and my wife was going to speak next but
she
doesn't want to
if it's donna osborne so
we'll we'll hear from don if she wants
to come in here uh she
said okay all right
we've heard you thank you
ronnie sharp
yeah we're trying
we want nothing done with churches and
nothing like that what we won't do is
get the dog
noise down the music down
uh they call music if you want to say if
every word is said
then uh
you know what we're talking about if
they move down next joe's house
i bet you'd be already stopped
would he not
it'd be stopped by now
but rose county seems like real scouting
ain't doing nothing for the
uh people
not at all
that's all i got to say
chad lampkins
uh my name is chad lampkin from 1413
purcell road and crossroads
um
i basically just agree with most of the
people that's already spoke
i'm not for any kind of ordinance in our
county that that would allow neighbors
to spot one another i really do feel
sorry for these people that are having
problems out of bad neighbors
but i don't feel like there's any way
that any kind of government situation
can mandate that people get along with
one another i just don't i don't think
that's possible
what would we do about dogs barking late
at night
i guess same thing we've always done i
mean there's never been a time when
we've when all of us not been bothered
by dogs barking late at night i mean i i
don't see how we can
or or your neighbor playing loud music i
don't there's never been a time when we
ain't been bothered by things like that
i don't
it seems to me like that's about the
only two things that this whole
ordinance is supposed to cover and
everything else is exempted and it looks
me like it would be easier to try to
come up with some kind of situation
where we could
take care of these problems that are
actually bothering people i really do i
know it's a problem
i realize that people have neighbors
that you just can't get along with
but if we could figure out some way to
just take care of those certain problems
instead of just
putting this whole ordinance out here
and then exempting 19 things it seems to
me like it's awful lot of exemptions for
something
but it but anyway like i say i just
basically agree with everybody else and
it does concern me about outdoor church
activities and things like that too
probably as much as anything but
what what you know the last guy that
talked there or the guy that talked
about
the county that we live in i mean you
know what it concerns me about church
activities and i love the lord all my
heart i mean i want to be able to
worship him no matter what but it also
concerns me that we ought to be able to
do what we want to on our own property i
mean if we own property and we should we
should be able to do whatever we want to
anytime day or night i mean that's just
the way it is
we need to be respectful of our
neighbors i mean if i have neighbors
that that sleep of a daytime i'll not be
making a whole lot of ragged of a
daytime much less of a night i mean you
know we just ought to be respectful of
our neighbors but i don't i don't think
the law's ever gonna mandate that we do
that we're just gonna have to care about
our neighbors one for another i mean
that's all they are too and i don't
think i don't think the law can make us
care about one another we're just going
to have to get to a point where we do
care about one another
appreciate y'all
next one on our list is larry hughes
mr hughes are you here
thank you
lord allow me to come speak with you my
name's larry hughes i live at 30th grade
holland drive in gleben virginia
and uh
i'm just going to tell you i think i'm
against the noise ordinance
am i talking a wife about this evening
she we had some neighbors that caused a
lot of problems like you said she and i
agree it's still it's an overreach of
the government
you know this county was formed by 1986
why now
why are we doing it now it's been here
for many many years i think it is a
government overreach and i think we need
to reconsider this
again my question to you you know it's
been asked before
what is noise what level is noise who
makes that decision
there's no way of saying i mean i may
think one thing's annoying somebody else
some people likes loud music that's not
noise other people likes loud cars
that's not annoys them who determines
what the noise is and what level it is
who makes a decision
the question we know is are we talking
about domestic animals are we talking
about
cows dogs i heard the thing about dogs
how about roosters
when did they grow i'm like what are we
going what are we going to do with the
roosters they're crawling on my property
what we're going to do about it
this isn't overreached we don't need to
move in this direction washington county
did the same thing a couple years back
after they did they said we made a major
mistake as an example there was a
gentleman lived out in the country about
way out inducted miles and miles out
been there maybe 40 years had dog
candles and that's part of his living
has neighbors moved in from somewhere
and they complained complained finally
they got him in court
find him made him get rid of his dogs
and that was his livelihood what are we
going to do the law was on the books
once it's on the books he had been
forced the attorneys
the commonwealth attorney they had
forced that and the the county said
we made a mistake on this and i'm
telling you you don't want to make this
mistake here in russia county you need
to consider the citizens again because
i've got a dog barking i got kettle
barking i got a brewster crowing
that's on my property i've got to do
something with it so if i got a farm i
got i got cows viewing it at night uh
horses nay what are you gonna do get rid
of all of them
so we need to really consider this
there's something needs to be done you
know when we have neighbors that are
unruly there needs to be some this is
not the way you do it why do we attack
every citizen in this county every
citizen because you make something says
two or three people and i really feel
for him my wife has a problem with this
and i hate to hire no or again our
neighbors do what they did but we're
gonna we can overcome that
thank you for the time
thank you mr hughes
next on the list is randall smith of
grab a lick
randall
my name is randall smith i live on the
gravel lake road section of castlewood
and
i come here in the opposition of this
ordinance
first of all but
i live uh within a hundred feet of the
highway
i also have neighbors within 200 feet of
me on three sides
and some have dogs some don't
but
we managed to get along
and unfortunately thank glory for that
but
what i want to say is
as far as the noise level i live
according to google i live 3.4 miles
from the fairground
and i can sit and listen to the
programs
that
it's as
the crow flies
i can sit and listen to the fair going
on
but that's only once a year that's not
what i would consider a public nuisance
but now i sympathize with these people
uh
mr osborne mr keane
it's an individual thing
and
if the board wants to consider something
let's consider a nuisance ordinance
where it's individually handled if
they're causing a
nuisance by the profanity or loud music
and something
then that is totally different and as
far as religious
i'm a christian and but
unfortunately religion does not
it's not only christian there are other
religions that promote
profanity
all sorts of vile
talk and behavior
and they can use that under this
ordinance
to carry on however they want
but if you want
to stop it then you need some
form to individualize this these
incidents
through a ordinance or a law
to stop just the individual harassment
in the county and not punish the whole
county for whatever's going on this this
action here sends me it's just malicious
behavior
caused by a few people
and and
and if under state laws it's covered in
public you know you can't do this in
public
but it doesn't cover private property so
if my
harassment extends or my vulgarity or
profanity extends beyond my property
lines and toward my neighbors or
whatever then i'm the one responsible
not these other citizens in the county
and i should be held responsible if i do
that
and and that's that's the main point i
want to make let's help these people but
let's do it in the right way
come up i mean a lot of mines in this
county come up for something that we can
do this in the right way and still not
infringe on the freedoms of the
law-abiding peace-loving citizens
and i thank the board for the time thank
you mr smith
[Applause]
that comes to the end of my list
i'm going to make one more call
for anyone that feels like they haven't
got on the list and they want to speak
mr kaiser i guess that's you yes ma'am
that is me i apologize for not getting
on the list nathan kaiser 918 green
valley road lebanon virginia
um i mean steve breen's district
i spoke
at length with mr harold osborne who's
one of the people who had a complaint
and has an issue
just wanted to learn more about what his
problems are
and uh and uh
anyway um
learned a lot about what he had said
when he was up here
and uh mr stevens um
a problem also and i'm in agreement with
several of the others including mr smith
who just spoke
um in that the this ordinance is far too
reaching
and with 19 exemptions and that's
exemption classes it can extends far
beyond that
that is just it's ridiculous if you're
passing anything it needs 19 exemptions
you're doing the wrong thing
um this needs to be pinpointed and it
needs to be a
in my opinion a nuisance law
if someone's a repeat of violator who
continues harassing their neighbors that
we need to pass a ordinance in that
fashion not what we got here
this right here is like if you told me
to paint that door and i came in with a
paint sprayer and taped up all these
little
uh little placards here but then spray
the entire room
those are the exemptions and the whole
room got sprayed
but all i was supposed to do is that
door
guys this is way
this is way out
we can talk exemptions all day
like pastor don says the exemption needs
to be
this ordinance
needs to be gone
and uh if you're one to try to pass this
i encourage you to try
to have a
a uh public hearing
it has not been done for this particular
ordinance it came up last time it was a
public hearing many people came out just
like tonight
have a public hearing next month
see how many people come out against
this thing now like i said mr stevens
and mr osborne have got a legit concern
they are being harassed by their
neighbors it needs to be addressed
must be addressed that kind of
harassment's not acceptable
but this is not how you do it
not how you do it thank you
thank you mr kaiser okay uh mr taylor
would you like
tiller i apologize
edward tiller he's going to speak to us
i'm edward tiller and live on big a
mountain and and it's
a privilege to be here this evening and
and really we live in a good area
we've been blessed around here these
things that happen and
that we don't agree with
but i'm telling you
even in church i was concerned about the
noise you know sometimes i get loud
and uh
and you know and and uh
i've been told i got loud and uh that i
want to get a little louder for my god
and he's he's been good to us
and you know
this life here
we don't always agree with things that
goes on
but we need to be content and love each
other that's what it's about you know
because none of us is going to be here
in this life long that's right we're
we're this lack of paper we
can't appear we're gone
and you know and and if we can learn to
live with each other because i'm
planning on going to a place
where we can live forever
and i'm telling you if
in heaven it's going to be noisy i
believe that's going to be rejoicing and
it's going to be happiness
and you know and and if we can't love
each other and be good to each other
here in this life boy i'll tell you
you're barking up the wrong tree we
better have
uh let god lead us and some of you may
not be christians but i'm telling you
it's time we're getting ready and
serving god
you think about noise think about in
ukraine over there those families it's
heartbreaking
it's really heartbreaking those families
you know i was in vietnam i followed
over there
and and and that i was only there so
long they was i shot it and bombs going
off but but
i knew i was coming home if i made it
through it
and those people over there they ain't
got nowhere to go
but i tell you
we ought to be thankful today and it's
going to be noisy in heaven i believe
they'll be shouting and rejoicing we
love all of you and i appreciate the job
young's done
and the main thing
for every one of us does might not be in
order but for us to look up to god and
trust in god he's our author and finish
our faith we love every one of you god
[Laughter]
thank you mr tiller you have blessed us
tonight okay
all hearts clear anyone else
yes sir this is a public expression you
just come right on
we need your name
chesterbot yeah i live it
yeah
you garden road home echo
and uh
i got talking about this ordinance and
things
and uh
i understand people's got problems i got
problems
but they got to talk about weed eating
things
if i doing weed eating i gotta get it
done early
don't hit no getting warm i can't
breathe
so i've got to get out and get it
now i don't do it about my neighbors
that's just the way it is that's
i gotta do it i can breathe to do it
and
i've always done it early
always worked in the minds my lungs
about gone
but
as long as lord bless i'm gonna eat
and i don't i don't mean no disrespect
laws are no laws i'm what we did
because i've always done it
i mean
that's just the way it is and
as far as churches go
folks you need to leave them alone
let the churches governor their own
selves
they got pastors and deacons and things
to take care of their churches
you just don't need to miss them
i mean that's just just wrong
i mean i passed it for a lot of years
and
we've never had no problem it's always
moving all right and
i just think this is wrong wrong thing
that she's trying to do
but like i say
of course we've eaten the noise and
stuff i got to get out and get it if i
get anything done and i mean that's just
the way it is because i can't breathe if
it gets worn
and
i don't know
how long i got left but
i will we deep
take care of my family as long as it's
possible
i think that's all i got
appreciate it thank you thank you
[Applause]
all right come on up give us your name
and your address please my name's
timothy hess and i live in the drill
section of home acre how are you mr eden
you know we talk about young people we
were all young at one time i was young
got my first card you know the first
thing i wanted to do
put a stereo system in it
and weather listen we
i'm a minister too that's real chapel
i'm i fall under chester ball but he's
my pastor but and i don't listen to what
i used to listen to
but if you were to come to me or
somebody come to me and force to me
what i couldn't couldn't listen to the
more a young person is wanting to do
exactly what you're going to harp at
them honeaker when i was growing up i
lived beside the big two-story house and
at toy down beside napa you know what
that said
people would park up at the old shamrock
young people not drug heads i'm just
talking young people play a little bit
of music i can remember sitting on a
porch and listening to them they had a
good time
now you go through home acre and every
time you turn around because of their
ordinance
a young person can be sitting at double
quick not doing nothing not doing a
thing mister he's got to move talk to us
he's got to move and it's i understand
that there is i lived in a trailer park
my house burnt road trailer park i had a
trailer i understand there is some
things that can be handled individually
but don't go to putting a label on every
single thing just because you don't like
what they do or what they listen to you
can't say well you listen to that now
you can't listen i'm gonna write you a
citation they're still young if we go to
force and stuff if you were to force
religion on me or force christ on me i
probably wouldn't be a minister today i
would have done the opposite somebody
taught me about him explain to me who he
was i love him i worship him i want to
be heard i don't want to have to worry
about whether or not our church is too
amplified down the street or somebody
gets mad at real chapel and says well
they're too loud
i don't want to be worried about when my
child is 17 years old and i get his
first vehicle or something and he might
have his country music turned up i can't
force nothing on my own child they have
to do it theirself i can't force
salvation on somebody i can't force
their way alive but if he's got his
country music turned up too loud or if
he listens to rock and roll whatever he
decides as he gets older he's just 11
right now my oldest but i can't force
something on him as far as what he
listens to you have to look at it as an
individual thing is this person
continuing to right through the biggest
neighborhood with every speaker running
or is he riding down 19 in rosedale and
somebody calls
what's the difference in my jake break
in my 18-wheeler i can go down rose down
wake everybody up
are you going to come take my jake break
out of my 18-wheeler
huh hey i live in drill when they were
hauling that coal down there and i live
up on lee martin's old strip job i could
hear the jake break running by drill
chapel church but you can't take it out
individualize this thing you can't go
past the thing as they said what's the
use of having if it's gonna have 45
exemptions in it
i mean you know what we've never had it
before and the number one thing i told
steve i sit down there there's a church
right in the middle of that
and every one of these things it might
be exempt now but you pass it how long
is it gonna be before you remove that
exemption
how long is it going to be before you
remove that exemption because somebody
gets mad at real chap or somebody gets
mad at at the church of christ in clarks
valley how long will it be before you
move the exemption don't pass this thing
individualize it
have a little sin we were all young
every one of you i guarantee you had a
radio and had it blaring at one point in
time going down the road thank you mr
head guarantee appreciate you
[Applause]
all right
here we go
thank you board i'll be very quick don't
have much um i echo a lot of the same
sentiments that we've shared i'm james
nunley uh 100 brumley circle lebanon
virginia appreciate your time i do want
to quickly share one thing that that's
not been mentioned
currently the the two sides that have
been heard i i feel for those that have
bad neighbors i'm very thankful for the
good neighbors that i have
um
but there are people who will eventually
choose to try to weaponize this
they'll choose to weaponize it against
neighbor neighbor on neighbor and
they'll try to weaponize it against the
church guarantee it that's right we've
battled it all year right in front of
you
um so please be considerate of that i
don't think we want to go down this road
as was echoed so often we've seen it and
it was not a good decision in other
situations so
please consider that um very discreetly
thank you so much
thank you pastor nunley
[Applause]
anybody else
good evening thank you for your time my
name is wayne hubbard i live in 989
strouth ranch section of swords creek
virginia mr eaton is my
supervisor and
certainly all the comments that's been
made
i think should be hitting
to your hearts tonight
to see where we stand here in in russell
county regarding this noise ordinance
personally i haven't had a chance to
read this revised all i saw was the
draft but apparently sometimes over the
weekend or something this whole thing
has changed and i haven't you know had
the privilege to read that but with 19
exemptions
why are we passing an ordinance that
needs 19 exemptions
and and i agree with uh pastor nunley i
think it certainly will be used to
weaponize
uh against the churches at some point
i don't know what point that would be
and i don't know what point it would be
that someone comes in here to to you
guys with a concern
with a
particular exemption where you say
well let's remove that exemption
one by one they could be removed
and i don't think that under the way
at this point
under the way that this has been written
at this point that we have had a proper
public here i think it's been changed at
least what i'm hearing from the draft i
saw it has been changed we need a proper
public hearing on what is existing
before it's ever voted on
so you guys can hear our concerns and
give us a chance to actually look at the
ordinance
and read the ordinance as as it exists
tonight not how it did last wednesday
because it's different thank you
thank you mr hubbard anybody else
hello my name is aaron burke and i'm
from swords creek virginia
uh my concern i'm i'm i'm a christian
and you know i get mighty loud in church
at times
but i have i have other concerns too
i'm i myself am a gun enthusiast i i
like to target practice uh on my
property
now i i as we all know guns are very
loud
instruments
is that exempt am i gonna am i gonna get
in trouble if my neighbors don't like me
shooting on my property
i i mean that that's something i would
like to know
uh
as as many of them have have have spoken
how
like they said how how how long is it
till you remove the exemption for
churches you know that that's the most
important thing to me but i i have many
other concerns and as uh
leon said that this should these these
individuals that
are having troubled neighbors
i believe one one man said that he was
from lebanon allow the town council to
to to pass an ordinance in that area
don't don't don't don't brush the whole
county
with uh
with an issue that that only a few
individuals are having i thank you for
your time
thank you mr burke anyone else
it's jill dye and i live in honaker
virginia
i had actually spoke with a member on
the board and it was brought up about a
subdivision you know restrictions being
in a subdivision because i am against
the noise ordinance
and
he spoke to me and i said there's a
difference i moved from buchanan county
to russell county i moved here 13 years
ago and when i moved onto my property
that i paid for
and
there was nothing there was nothing
that's saying what how loud i can be on
my land
and that's a freedom that i have on my
land i feel like that you all if you
pass this
you're dictating what i can do on my
land and that bothers me really bad and
um you know and i do i also feel like
this is just a wolf in sheep's clothing
eventually it will reach to the church
and that concerns me because i love the
lord and i don't want anything you know
to go wrong with our
our christians in this community and i
just
i ask you please please hear the
majority the majority i do sympathize
for those that have trouble i do and i
hope that you'll find a way to help them
but the majority we want freedom on our
lands please please consider passing not
passing this and vote no on this noise
ordinance thank you
anybody else it's not on my list
my name is joshua hess i live in the
lynn springs
section of swords creek uh it's already
been said a few times but uh i feel like
i ought to exercise my first amendment
right considering it's being taken from
us very quickly
um
is you know that this is just overreach
it's about control you know you got the
building ordinance you've got the later
ordinance now the noise ordinance
my question is where does it end
where does the ordinances end i mean
don't we already have an administration
of idiots trying to control us from up
in the capitol already
i mean we really do idiots cowards
and now you're trying it sounds like
you're trying to do the same thing to us
don't bring
what's up there down here to this
wonderful county
i grew up in this county i was born in
dc but i grew up in this county i love
it here david i have a lot of pride in
this county i really do
i went to school in swords creek and
hoenaker graduated and i've lived here
pretty much my whole life and i love it
here
but i'm going to tell you something you
thought your census numbers was bad
before keep passing the ordinances and
it'll go way down
because people will move we will get
tired of it
we already like i said have an
administration trying to take away our
constitutional rights
we have freedoms 10 of them it's written
on a piece of paper and it was written
back in 1776 and those freedoms are
being infringed upon and they and now
you're trying to infringe upon a
county's freedom
it ain't right it's control it's all
about control
and that's all i had to say but please
don't bring what's up here down here to
our little county
thank you mr hayes
anybody else
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anybody else
all hearts clear
i'm going to close the public
hearing at this time thank you
now moving on in the agenda is uh
constitutional officers reports and
requests do we have any
all right
moving on we have the county attorney
reports and request is patton
noise ordinance is your very first one
thank you madam chair
pull up the ordinance and you'll have to
bear with me a little because i'm going
to try to go through the concerns
and how it applies and i guess the the
most common concern was
how this ordinance might apply to
religious services
and while my interpretation is
that exemption k
protects that as it is
religious expression is protected by
first amendment i can understand the
concerns about the
amplification of the sound um especially
giving covet in that many churches are
still doing outdoor services to allow
and their um
that to allow the their
people to feel
thank you
for the word
their congregation to feel safe um
we have found other language and i want
to leave
my recommendation would be to leave
section k if the board does consider to
pass this but there's also another
exemption that is closely related and
that is exemption c in the way the
ordinance is written now and as it reads
now it's bells or chimes from place of
religious worship sounds produced by
bales chimes or other similar
instruments or devices from a place of
worship i found some additional language
that i would i think would be a good
replacement for that that would make it
very clear that this does not apply
to church services that this is not in
any way meant to infringe upon that um
and let me again i'm sorry you have to
bear with me so i can find everything
and the language that i would suggest in
putting in exemption c would be
religious services religious events or
religious activities or expressions
including but not limited to
music singing bells chimes and organs
which are not part of such service event
activity or expression
so if that language is in there that
clearly covers anything that would be a
church service and the exemption means
that that that the noise ordinance
doesn't apply so it does not matter
about what time it would happen so i
think that would be a good replacement
for that just to make it clear on what
the what the intent of what this board
is trying to do
i think mr um
die brought up that there and i and i
have heard this comment before that
there are people who work um
second and third shift and they sleep at
different times and and i understand
that that's pretty common in our area
but one thing about this ordinance is it
is a general application ordinance you
cannot
we worked really hard from where we
started those of you who read the
ordinance that the board first
considered in 2020 it was very broad it
didn't specify exactly what was a
violation very well and it didn't and it
didn't have as many exemptions and so
at the time the comments that the board
received and the concern of the board
after hearing those comments is that by
not having those exemptions people would
be subject to more liability
by not having all that exempt so i know
the exemptions that's been an issue but
in my opinion from a legal standpoint
that's good because it clearly shows
it's going to be a defense that you are
not violating this ordinance
let's see
i know another common um
concern has been weed eating and
i do want to clarify just so that the
board and the public understand
yard maintenance activities um sound
produced by routine yard maintenance
including but not limited to mowing
trimming cliff clipping leaf blowing and
snow blowing
are exempt except as provided in the
ordinance so what the ordinance actually
prohibits its it sets it it sets a time
frame so those activities would be
limited to um between they would be
prohibited from 10 pm at night until 7am
in the morning within a residential area
and between and prohibited between 10
p.m and 6 a.m
within any non-residential area
including any mixed-use site and so what
i would think about that is you know
farms and things like that so so you're
around around homes and things seven at
seven a.m but again that is a proposal
if the board wants to consider moving
that up you certainly can um that's a
pretty common um time frame um but that
that's something that the board can
consider but that that
just sets a limitation on it will not
occur during those hours
mr sharp is that you
i'm sorry
mr ball i apologize you're you're out of
order mr ball
thank you
miss patton continue please thank you
madam chair um another concern was
animals and that is a specific exemption
it's exemption b
and it says sound produced by animals
including but not limited to barking
dogs that would include farm animals and
and any i mean it doesn't it doesn't
define animals but it's you know because
that would be a common complaint it it
specifically says that barking dogs are
not a violation of this ordinance
one other concern that was brought up
was was firearms and that's also a
specific exemption and that's exemption
f
and it's sound produced by the lawful
discharge of a firearm including any
sound produced at a gun club shooting
range shooting preserve or target trap
or skeet range so that that would be um
and as far as just in general the
concerns about um even if the ordinance
is passed that has this
um the first amendment cannot be
infringed and if a government were to
take something away or enforce something
that is something that could be
challenged in court um
so to say that it's a slippery slope if
this this ordinance would not violate
the first amendment in fact it
specifically says that expression
protected
under that amendment is not is exempt
from this ordinance but even if um
there's
there's protections for that um
you know anything that violates the
first amendment if that is brought
before court it will be invalidated so
um there's and you know even if i even
if it's a different attorney if it's me
i would always advise this board on
whether something was going to in
violate the first amendment so that's
that's not a legal concern that i have
and i think another concern that was
brought up is that potentially
a neighbor could weaponize
could weaponize this and i mean i think
that's a valid concern however
laws and ordinances are put in place for
the protection of all citizens and
unfortunately there's no way to make any
law completely protected from abuse i
take
for an example and i don't use it
lightly and and there may be people in
this room who have been the victim of an
assault but in the legal system i've
seen it over and over again where people
get mad at their neighbor or their
friend or their spouse or their
significant other and they will have
them charged with assault and they go
and they take the warrant out and that's
completely wrong and that makes it hard
on the entire system but i feel
confident in saying that the solution is
not to to
get rid of that crime and because there
are true victims of that so that's
that's the analysis i have but i mean
you can't
there's no way to make any law or
ordinance completely foolproof from
being abused by any person so i mean
that's just a consideration that the
board has to have
i think i've addressed most of the
concerns if the board members have any
other questions i'll do my best to
answer
okay does anyone have on the board have
any um
just
well i'll tell you what yes we need to
have some discussion on this for sure mr
breeding i'll recognize you okay thank
you madam chair
you know
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based on a lot of concerns that i've
heard from people in my district some of
them are here tonight and now from a lot
of you are not in my district
i feel it's very important
that we give everybody an opportunity to
review the ordinance
as it's presented in our board packet
because i believe it has been modified
somewhat because we have put a mechanism
into it whereby you can determine what
the ambient or the normal noise level is
and what
the the the rise caused by the
disturbance
so
i've talked to a lot of people
and it's pretty obvious to me that
nobody is really i know nate read it
because i sent him a copy he we talked
about it and i did send data copy and he
maybe he should have shared it with some
people
but that but i would like
everybody to have a copy of this
look at it
um
apparently a lot of people missed the
original
advertisement for the
uh for the ordinance and it was a long
time ago and i know how that is i you
know you want to go but something comes
up and you can't get there
but you've expressed a lot of concerns
about a document that you really haven't
read in depth
but i want you to read it
and i want you to look at it we put
measurable limits in there the sheriff
will be the one to
administer those limits
and there's set
you know
set levels that you
can't exceed
so i think what i'd like to propose is
we have a public hearing i think it's
justified and we can have that in our
next board of supervisors meeting
we can have that will give you guys
adequate time to read this document and
develop any further comments that you
might have
and believe me i take all your comments
seriously i've written
26 of them down here i mean there's 26
individuals spoke
but we need to have it in the big room
yeah yeah yeah we'll probably have it in
the big room you know down at the
conference center but the board can hear
those public comments plus anybody else
that you want to bring in
and we can get their comments and once
we hear that
then we can make a decision based on
those first-hand comments from everybody
and
that'll be from a fully informed public
that's seen the document that we're
actually advertising
and and i just want to tell you one
thing other thing
i'm only one member on this board but i
feel like i can and i speak for myself
but i feel like i can speak for the
feelings on this board and i want to
tell you it is not our intent to inhibit
any kind of god-given constitutional
right such as worship or freedom of
speech that is not the intent we've just
been brought some issues that have
popped up and uh you know trying to work
out a way that we can help some people
you know who are entitled to peace
con you know
all we're trying to do i guess is uh
and make an effort to protect the
sanctity of your home
because when it comes right down to it
your home
is the one place it should be able to go
to and get some
peace and quiet and rest uh so and
that's not always the case so
i guess with that said i'd like to make
a motion madam chairman is that
appropriate
i'll accept a motion mr breeding
i will make a motion that we conduct a
public hearing on the noise ordinance as
it is presented in our board packet
tonight
and i know katie has been working on
that for over a month or so and we
probably had it what a week and a half a
couple of weeks i guess now
but i want to make a motion we conduct a
public hearing on a noise ordinance
that's presented in our this month's
board packet at our april 4th board of
supervisors meeting to be held as
closely after 6 pm as possible and you
have to understand that we have a few
preliminary things we have to do but
we'll try to get into it just as quick
as we can
and that the county administrator have
copies of that ordinance available at
the county administrator's office
a digital copy be placed on the county
website as soon as possible
and that the advertisement of the public
note of the public hearing
be immediately placed on the county
website and
advertise it any other way that we're
required to do that and i know we have
to give at least two weeks notice but we
need to try to get it out as soon as
possible so that'll that'll be my motion
that i'm chair
i'll second that too okay we have a
motion and a second discussion
anybody got any discussion
well i was thinking as mr brilliant was
talking he wants to
have a public hearing i thought we had
one plus
the people what people are saying here
tonight
they don't want the restriction period
so
i don't know that we
a step later on that we're going to make
any change because i'm sure they're
going to come back they don't want this
to go over me
excuse me excuse me
hold it down and if i can have you
removed yeah
opinion
i guess you would say under mindset
i don't know
well well i'm just going by the fact
that a couple of people have asked
at least two people that i recall asked
said they would like the opportunity for
another public hearing
and
you know when it comes right down to it
when you hear all this each of us will
have to vote our own conviction your own
heart on this
and you know i take seriously what the
public has to say not just people in my
district
i mean they're the ones that put me
there but i i'm looking out for the
county as a whole and be assured that i
don't want to be overly restrictive on
anything yes we agree with that mr
breeding very much so and you and i have
had this deep conversation
last week on this
and uh but i do want to point out that
we have not done anything to this
ordinance since it went to public
but add a level of comfort for the
decibels
that wasn't brought up and talked about
at all tonight within the public
their concerns was
all the exemptions that we had in there
prior to so there's nothing just so the
public knows that we're having this
discussion there was nothing changed
in the ordinance now let me ask katie i
mean miss patton and mr lester did is
anything changed in this ordinance
besides adding the decibel level that mr
breeding asked for last month
that that's the only thing i added that
was the last piece i had because again
we we used an existing ordinance and
they had their own code
for how that noise level was going to be
determined and ulta and ultimately we
checked to make sure we would have the
equipment to be able to do that and so
that's the language that's added it's
charts of the decibel levels and how the
noise is going to be determined rules
for calibration and things like that but
all of the other exemptions with that
potential modification i just suggested
are the same
yes so this has been out there in the
publix uh for how long
mr lester we had the first pup use your
microphone
let's scoot back so you can see katie
sorry about that uh the first public
here was was uh published and you had it
in march of 2020
and the board has been mon you know
working on it month by month modifying
you know certain terms and conditions of
the code so up to up to the point now
and when was the last time it was
modified
at the last board meeting at the last
board meeting when we called that we
would
we had our noise ordinance at the our
public hearing at that time
and we modified it mr breeding you added
death bills because mr king came with
his decibel machines
and here they are
and so everything is still the same i
just want to make sure
that we have not misled this public
in any shape form or fashion you have
not been misled i promise you not on my
watch
and so i just need to make you hear this
and see this
uh that's happening okay
so you just need to see that the the
noise ordinance was out there exactly
as it is in our packet tonight
when we had public expression in
february correct me if i'm wrong it's
not exactly the decimal the decibels was
added i said that that level of comfort
was added
when was it posted on the website
it was
the first one was in march of 2020 it
was posted as a public hearing and then
papers yeah in the website yep
no no that was the first one that you
all considered this one this one came
later in the fall when i first brought
it to the board for its consideration it
was still the albemarle county draft and
then i changed it to russell county but
i did not know how we were going to
define how the noise
was going to be determined so
but other than that we've left all the
language the same
but i think it was late fall probably
that that was first presented the new
one was first presented to the board so
the current one's not been posted on the
website
yes it is
it depends it's under the government
under the ordinance section of the same
place as the uh
election yes
okay
but
but it's still
but
mr kaiser is kind of please you're
you're out of order thank you appreciate
it
so it was posted
on the website
it's exactly the same as
what we did but the decibels were added
it came on the website when mr lester
it came on the same time we put the
the agenda back up we each and every
time we bring it back up or bring it
back up and i know there hasn't been a
lot of people attending during that time
but they have been working on it the
board of supervisors they come in and
they work on one term condition one
month and then next in the month they'd
work on another one they've been doing
this since march of 2020 so you know and
that was during the pandemic you got to
understand that it and it was difficult
to get people in here so
each and every month they would make a
few changes at the request the legal
counsel or or whatever citizens wanted
during that time to the point they are
now so it's a develop it has been a
developing ordinance so during that time
so
we have a motion and a second on the
floor
we've had discussion
we'll call for the vote
roll call
mr lovelace yes
mr ray yes
mr eaton yes mr brady yes ms don
no
mr christian
what's this potential
we're voting to have a public one more
public hearing
on this noise ordinance in april
next meeting
yes
okay and the chair votes yes
mr lester put that on our program for
next time thank you all thanks man we
appreciate you
madame madam chair the next
item that i have that really probably
should have just been under lonzo but i
did review it um and review some of the
applicable law is the ordinance one
moment one moment miss patton uh those
of you that would like to excuse
yourself at this time
we'll we'll give you a little break that
you can go so that we can carry on the
business of the county
in the matter that we need to do that so
if you want to go feel free
all all at all ordinances should be
at least available to the public it
should be is it out here on the desk mr
lester is the
the north okay there were some copies
that they haven't taken it's on the
website if you're not it's in my office
or if you send me an email i'll be glad
to send it to you
thank you for coming
okay
we're just here tonight
thank you
okay
miss patton we're ready to proceed
if you guys will close the door back
there i'd appreciate it we can't hear
thank you
so now we have the ordinance on the
amending the ordinance to the russell
county elections
yes madam madam chair um
that's um
under under me like i said i think it
should have been under lawn though i did
review it though and review some of the
code sections as far as um
conforming with the applicable law one
of my biggest concerns was the
precincts had to have at least 100
registered voters and i didn't know if
that might be an issue and i went
through all of my legal concerns with
lonzo because he is the one that drafted
the actual boundaries and when i spoke
with him he informed me that none of the
boundaries changed and none of the
precincts changed and because there are
some additional if things like that are
going to change there's some additional
notice requirements and that would be
required but he advised that none of
that changed and they will be it will be
sent to the attorney general for um
certification
that that all of that is okay and
another thing that i looked at was just
making sure that and there were there
were clearly identifiable you know
boundaries structures um existing
structures pursuant to the law
and so i have reviewed it and and lonzo
i know gave that
lengthy
presentation and so i submitted to the
board
now for approval
and guys just to emphasize one more
point this as it reads in the title
this is an ordinance amending the
ordinance
so therefore that that tells you right
there's there's no being change in
boundaries or precincts
so and and we have to attest to that to
the u.s you know to the united states
the u.s and both the state every year
the board
the uh chairman of the board does a
survey every year you have to do it and
you have to certify it you know i've
tried to get the town mayor of leban to
annex a little bit more and take up but
he won't do it and i tried to take over
a few counties to good spots but
everything he says is
so i need a motion to
accept or amend the ordinance of russell
county
and the district in the precinct's
boundaries i'll back in motion
we have a motion for mr christian i need
a second
i'll second it we have a second from
miss die any discussion yeah i want to
make a comment here
um
when when is the primary opportunity to
look at
reducing our board to five on the school
board and board of
supervisors that should be a county
attorney question probably i mean
tazewell county and washington county
don't have five and
we've got a lot less residents and we've
got
seven i mean i'm just trying to look out
save money and and look at some viable
ways to
address this i'm just asking a question
well and
i haven't i haven't really looked into
it um
i'm sure there's
some different mechanisms that can you
can do that i've been looking at it
strictly from the decennial um
updating but you can do it at that time
i think it's 24.2 304.1
um that that the board let's let me find
the exact language
um
that every 10 years thereafter the
governing body of each
such locality shall reapportion the
representation among the district's
rewards including
if the governing body deems it
appropriate
increasing or diminishing the number of
such districts or districts or awards in
order to give it and give as nearly as
is practicable representation on the
basis of population so there's not a
requirement it's it's it's in the
board's discretion what's appropriate to
either increase or diminish and that
would be um
talking about the 10-year realignment i
don't know if there's other provisions
in the code that might allow you to do
that at a different time but i would
have to look that's the only one that i
know of right now is when you do that
yeah thank you katie it's been brought
to my attention from multiple
constituents throughout the whole county
wondering you know i guess with the
expense the loss of residents
as the county administrator just
expressed this evening
that
the alignment stayed the same but if
we're continuing to lose
residents and
you know i have concerns about
ordinances because
i served on town council 14 years and i
tell you ordinances are sometimes
devastating to
who comes and who wants to live in your
county so
i'm really concerned about that because
i fought this battle on the town council
and now i'm here in the county doing the
same thing so i'm i'm concerned about
that and i think we need to look at
every way possible
to eliminate waste and to try to make
our county function
better so if you could let me know maybe
at the next meeting or something
uh i'll let mr brady and say something i
think he's wanting to yeah yeah
katie i don't know if you don't know
this or maybe lonzo don't know it back
i think the legislation
as i read it the legislature requires
the legislation
requires us to have an at-large member
yes that's interesting and i think that
was excuse me i think that was done
back
when we were actually had six districts
i think
and then we were using a tiebreaker
which ultimately found out it was
illegal to use
so and i think that's when they created
i think
you know
i think about tazewell county and the
tassel county has probably twice the
citizenship
but they only have five supervisors but
they have just five districts as well
you know i think the way we're
structured now if we went to five we'd
have to have an at large in four
districts
so
i think you know if that's something we
want to consider if you can find out if
and when we can do that i think we would
have to eliminate that at large position
and just go with
five districts you know but it needs to
be an odd number you know because of it
yes you would have to change the form of
government the form of government that
we have requires us to have an at-large
member so we would have to there's
different forms of county government and
we would have to change ours to to do
that so we've always had an at-large
board member
we just created an additional district
the last time i assume so i mean i
really don't know much about the history
but if we've always had this form of
government then we had to unless they
changed the legislation somewhere along
the line we've always had an at-large
member you always had that large you
added the additional district well it
must have
all right all right all right order
order please um let's um let's talk
about this mr eaton mr breeding we're
concerned about saving a dollar uh mr
lester tell me how much it cost for two
supervisors
well
uh
if you listen to mr eaton he owes us at
the end of the day so he's paying us
and i'm trying to be facetious but every
board member and one of the things that
this board has done
is to ensure that
their monthly staff and what they get
and it is one the lowest in the state i
mean you can do a comparison analysis
and they work for nothing i mean this is
basically it
and and
but
as far as the um
that large or the number of districts
and and now we will do a little bit more
research in this and this is the point
at the next election y'all could vote to
restructure the board too but you would
end up serving out your remaining terms
but the full board has to agree to it
unanimously
it's not just us it's a school board too
so you'd have to run the calculations on
you the school board would have to match
our just like we presented tonight every
board would have to match your board so
it is a big undertaking
but if the board has the pleasure of it
you know
as as far as the cost going in and and
that was one of the things i was trying
to point out during for precincts now
with electoral boards and elections and
that includes the current administration
they pay for the majority of the
election costs so it's not a lot for a
precinct anymore it's not a lot for the
election board they they do get a lot of
state funding to help supplement these
now
it's the community and what the board of
supervisor wants what do you feel
comfortable with at large with 25
781 in you know residents so and the
territories would have to be divided up
again so
those are going to be
just for instance we know that
by looking at our our maps today
that district three
has a huge territory
a huge territory he wraps up around
district four and he comes down and
wraps up around district two
and with that being said
um i have some constituents that live
are outliers a lot of people in little
pockets in the hollers in the hills
and they have to travel x amount of
miles to vote anyway
and it's been very difficult on some
people when it was redistricted again
and chopped up again so those might be
some of the things that we need to
consider because
what you're going to save in a
supervisor's position is less than
twelve thousand dollars yes less
where is it a lot less a lot less than
that yes so we're talking
seven thousand dollars if that
okay two supervisors
two school board members two
okay if you throw those in to you well i
mean
now remember remember where your
government uh your government stuff is
your price
to have a representative to have
representation for people
that live
in the places that uh mr hess is talking
about
uh so that's just some of the things
that i would since we're having this
discussion but i do believe we have a
motion and a second on the floor i'm
going to call for the vote
all in favor
aye
this is the um
the ordinance to amend the ordinance
madam chair i just want to tell you when
people bring these
to me that's the reason i'm just
presenting them to you i understand i
think we should
you know i'm just obligated to bring
them to the board yes and i do think
that i do think that there's a lot of
misinformation out there that
we need to make sure that they
understand their representation is
far uh
greater than the dollar i will tell you
that
so anyway uh we'll just let the board
decide that that's a board action not a
not a lou wallace action okay the
cumberland plateau regional waste
management authority uh the 2022
manpower and user agreement
yes thank you madam chair um this isn't
a these two agreements are something
that we approve annually and we've
structured it that way just so that we
can make sure that we could keep you
know
understanding and control on what's
going on with their waste management
authority i've spoken with the county
administrator and he requested
or he stated that he had no requested
changes at this time so we've submitted
it for the board's approval exactly how
it was presented last year
okay
and there are no changes at all to this
no from last year i was going to ask my
two board members to to explain that to
everybody yeah it is it's identical to
what we approved last year very good
okay is everybody satisfied with this
and how we did business last year then i
uh
entertain a motion
so make a motion
all right i have a motion i need a
second
auris
did you give me a motion so i'm going to
ask you for a second oh tim gave a
motion down here so i'm getting your
second
all right that's how we're doing it all
right all in favor
any opposed
thank you motion carries county
administrator reports in request mr
lester
thank you madam chair
the
first item on the count administrator
request reports and requests of course
is we finally after two years and during
the pandemic and uh
we have permission to go ahead and
advertise for the uh dane depot facility
the renovation on it
so
that is one of the things that
that we'll be going to bid with it is on
the street uh
thompson linton is the uh
is the
engineer that has designed this so if
any
uh county contractors that wants to do
business with it it is uh on our website
so you know go out and look at it
uh that's this is for reporting second
thing on the canon ministry reports
again is vdot they they seem to take up
a good timeout over time and that's okay
is a vdot lane use permit for csx road
closure to repair the railroad crossing
on route 626
uh this will be closed during that time
on march the 28th to 29th the 30th and
the 31st
and we'll put that up on the website too
in the paper so vdot's going to do that
to make sure that everybody you know
know that railroad closing is closed so
that's far as the reporting
now the first
line i'm on the county ministry request
is the feni disposal site and i have
talked with uh legal counsel on this and
she's wanted to put in some uh
additional terms on it this is the
fenney it was
it is the same amount of money there is
a different owner so we're going to
tighten it a little bit on the terms and
conditions so she so she feels a little
bit more comfortable with it so i'd like
to have a motion that the least be
approved upon legal counsel's uh you
know modifications and changes to the
terms and conditions of the lease will
this continue to be a month-to-month
lease basically yes it is going to be
canceled yes yes yes because ultimately
we need to get you don't right exactly
i guess if i may one of the um
concerns i had is is there was no end
date or anything in the lease
and so i don't know if you and you may
not be able to give that there it does
provide for termination upon 30 days
notice but typically when i do at least
there is at least an end date or a
renewal date or something like that
i don't know
all right as long as we
it is and and and that is good the uh we
utilize the
you know it's it's a small piece of
property it's a trap you know
and uh we took the template from the
previous county
attorney that developed this on this and
just we were switching ownership
so he was amenable to it because that
was a good thing because he could have
actually we could have been looking for
another new disposal site quickly
so that that that gives an opportunity
to stay there so
uh
again i'm asking for the board upon
legal counsel's you know changes for the
termination clause with a termination
date for approval
i'll make that three years three thirty
six month term okay
then i'll make that motion
with legal counsels
final approval okay we have a motion i
need a second
second i've got several seconds we'll
take carl
all in favor
any opposed
motion carries
next up on the agenda is the accounts
payable position advertisement yes ma'am
next one is the uh and this is the
replace uh
miss karen davis she is working in her
office she is retired that is good so i
need a motion for the accounts papal
position advertisement yes ma'am i'll
make that motion
we have a motion i need a second second
got several seconds pick one vicky and
um
all in favor
any opposed
motion carries thank you madam chair
last on the count of ministry request of
course is the board of supervisors
discretionary fund i've had i've had
discussions with various board members
and it's getting to that time due to the
pandemic for the last two years y'all
have not been able to
work on some of your community
you know needs and wants
so
we have you gave it two years ago you
had to park it we put it back in the
general fund so this is an opportunity
now that the weather is opening up to
you know open it up for each supervisor
have a discretionary fund
between each one of you or 5 000 each
for a total of 35 thousand dollars on
the commercial let's reestablish that
i'll second it got a motion and a second
discussion
well
i'm gonna have discussion
now
we're talking about saving dollars
and here we go
thirty five thousand dollars
now i want five thousand dollars in my
community i do
so i i think that we all need to be
cognizant
of how we spend our discretionary money
i'm challenging each and every one of
you guys
to put it in your community properly
into those programs that we need and
think
uh think about the programs that we have
going on with our children and in our
communities that need
assistance from us that they don't
normally get so i'm challenging you with
that
okay i have a motion and a second all in
favor
thank you madam chair that concludes my
county administrative reports and
requests thank you
okay very good we're moving on to the
board discussion and reminders and
before i do that i'll take chair
privilege for just a moment to say
check your board book we have lots of
committee reports in here we have the
psa the ida everything that functions in
our county please take note of that
please take note of the expenditures
watch where this money is going um that
is my challenge to each and every one of
you guys tonight so
with uh
very little to do we've been here a
while and i apologize
uh we'll look at uh board discussion and
reminders i'll start down here with mr
lovelace you got anything
uh the only thing i wanted to do is is
say congratulations to dr kim hooker who
was appointed as the new superintendent
of schools
kim's been with the school system 34
years and
we look forward to what she's going to
do we'll miss dr brown
but we look forward to what what kim's
going to do for the school system
thank you mr lovelace mr ray
uh yeah i'd like to uh talk about the
russell county kids fishing day we
hadn't had that for about three years so
you know this year i think we need to
give them that money that we've always
given
you've already spent your money then
haven't you all right are you
contributing your uh discretionary money
already
well i you know i thought we uh always
sure
will catch you at the door now
now the word is out you're trapped man
all right anything else mr ray no ma'am
all right mr eaton yes and the reason uh
i want to do the discretionary funds and
i agree with miss wallace it needs to be
spent wisely i look at these are as
investments in our community not
wasteful spending
one of the ones i want to fund is the
redbuff festival event
and the other one is the scott
mclaughlin's kid fishing day you can
actually take that money out of my
discretionary fund to be able to support
these things because these are great
opportunities uh for our area
uh one thing i'd like to also do madam
chair is i'd like to congratulate the
honecker girls basketball team on their
win tonight
they beat perry mcclure and they will be
playing in the state championship
yes um another thing is uh i need an
update from the county administrator on
the mill creek bridge
i know we've been working on the island
about dedicating that bridge for the
veterans memorial
if you could give me an update on that i
would really appreciate it i'll reach
out to john i mean jeff another item
i've had the opportunity to talk briefly
with madam chair tonight
because it's it was brought to mind in
mr brilliant's attention about two years
ago
we had met with a smiley ratliff
foundation in regards to
a piece of property across from the
governor's mansion
and in our discussion they wanted the
county to participate with them
uh to have a park there on about i think
it's 20 some acres
20 some acres of land
so i
and miss wallace has
talked to me briefly but has i also said
that she'd be willing to
meet with them
and
miss die that's in her district
anybody else you know that would want to
to look at this opportunity there's a
lot of historic value there and i think
it would open up a a real area for
people to hike and bike and fish
there in that vicinity and all that
and as i pass it on down the road here i
guess i'll let steve uh
talk
and let me make sure i didn't miss just
anything
no i don't think i did thank you madam
chair you probably did not uh mr eaton
you're real good at this
mr breeding yes ma'am
uh
one so if we hired a litter officer yeah
we have interviewed the litter officer
we have we're doing a background check
on the litter officer right now
uh he is a very promising candidate he
is a veteran he just kind of afghanistan
and he has a background in sheriff so
we're gaining a double one here so
hopefully everything works out within
the next two weeks okay within two weeks
okay uh
the only other item that i have is you
know i'm i'm feeling some pressure on
this animal shelter you know we've got
to have this thing kicked down the road
uh and i guess the only reason we've had
any grace on it is because of the covet
but as i understand last time i talked
to anybody at the animal shelter which i
guess was josh
uh back fair he said that you know we
didn't have much time left
as far as you know trying to get
everything up to date they were going to
start putting pressure back on us is
that correct
they had mentioned you know the
condition of the facility before but but
that's been for the last
seven five seven years something like
that so
and
um but i can reach out again get an
update from dr meister because josh left
there's been a void there
so if y'all will uh want dr meister to
come and talk to the board or well i
yeah i don't even think it's necessary
to talk to the board i just need to
think we just need to find out where
we're at on that and is it you know now
that covet is hopefully winding down
that will delay you know it may be
something that we need to proceed along
with especially
given the funding scenarios now you know
there may be some monies out there we
could use to construct this
that's all i have madam chair
thank you mr brady ms dodd you have
anything no no
thank you
mr christian you have anything well um i
went to big a mountain to that um out on
the couch's
place and took a picture yesterday and
it's still a lot of stuff time i don't
know how how much they're doing
have much moving
but uh
it's not it's moving slow and then on
this thing about the kenneth hart's
park project out in elk garden
he i hear that he's willing to give her
these us for a dollar but there's a lot
of legal aspects
things that we don't have to go through
before we can do that and do we want to
invest
louise i think you and i touched on
anything some legal aspects and do's and
don'ts that we can't
get ourselves involved in something like
that and my limited knowledge yes i
think there are things that we need to
look at
to make sure it's advantageous for our
county and i think that recreation is
the thing some people say it's not but i
do think that everyone deserves
um
the opportunity to have have
fun and
stay and play in their community as we
call it from where i come from so i'm
i'm all about that and i'm very
supportive of that so but there is
there is a direction that you can go in
and the state does allow certain things
and for protection of the county and
those are the some of the things that we
need to sit down and we need to have a
round table meeting about
i would love to see this i mean it's in
my her district and where i live and
close to where i live that's then
but you know we're gonna have to
take the legal steps and uh and
precautions before we jump and say yes
okay we're going to do this yes i don't
think i don't think the county and mr
eaton and i have discussed this already
i don't think the county is ready to
take those kind of
steps right now at this time yes sir
yes sir i did
okay and um the chair has the last
privilege in the last say so so um
i'm very uh happy to hear about the
danked uh depot going to bid i'm doubly
excited about a 2.5 million dollar new
sewer system
from
daint all the way down to saint paul
it's going to take some straight pipes
out of the creek and do a lot of good
for our drinking water and the clinch
river so
those are very wonderful things to hear
tonight thank you all and i do
appreciate each and every one of you
guys coming
and speaking your piece that's what this
is all about
giving you an opportunity to say what
you need to say
in a gentlemanly in a lady fashion and i
think that's wonderful so i commend each
of you
i do i look forward to the banter next
month of how we're going to handle this
it's not going to change so bone up on
your ordinances and i do declare this
meeting oh one moment
april 4th
april 4th 6 o'clock here